Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

all this reminds me that the rump of the Liberal Party that rejected the merger with the SDP in 1988 still exists and insists that it is the legitimate successor to Gladstone, Asquith et al:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_(UK,_1989)

still not over how the anti-corbyn brigade has ensured that political conversation over the last 3 days has been labour's contortions rather than the kicking the tories sorely need

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nice! clinging on to 33 councillors

ALso, see SDP councillors since 1999:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_(UK,_1990%E2%80%93present)

what's wrong with "new labour"?

Why Angela Eagle is exactly what Labour needs
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John McTernan

still not over how the anti-corbyn brigade has ensured that political conversation over the last 3 days has been labour's contortions rather than the kicking the tories sorely need

i admittedly don't know a great deal about parliamentary intrigue, but yeah why is everyone -- even cameron! -- shitting on corbyn now? he didn't call the referendum

Have there been any non-idiotic thought experiments regarding what a net positive exit from the EU could ultimately look like?

This is a terrifyingly batshit vision of Singapore with worse weather: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/28/now-the-vote-is-over-lets-move-on-with-six-steps-to-a-bright-fut/

"Finally, keep immigration at high levels. Many people who voted for Brexit wanted it to come down, but that is a debate for another day."

Yes, i think the idea has always been that if you can combine the culture and corporate / legal security of the UK with ultra-low taxes, loose employment laws and a concerted effort to shift away from reliance on traditional markets you can future-proof the UK against a declining Europe and aim to compete head-to-head with Singapore, Dubai and Shanghai as a tech / financial services hub.

Part of the challenge is that Singapore, Dubai, Shanghai and all effectively cities rather than complex nation states. Some people have suggested it could give a boost to manufacturing as well but nobody really seems to have sketched out how. The general idea is that the West is held back by the social welfare and will get steamrollered by 'ruthless' Asian capital if it doesn't get in the same lane.

And that's just the PLP's stance

thaaaaat's right - it was jeremy hunt who presumably is still seriously considering offering himself as a candidate for conservative leader last year who was banging on about how the british needed to work harder: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/05/hunt-tax-credit-cuts-make-britons-work-like-chinese-or-americans

Future proof it for the fuckers that is, not for us. Increasingly dreading this EEA option, which is essentially "Europe without the employment or consumer protections"

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right - that's how the Raab, Britannia Unchained sort of Brexiter wants it to play out right? Fuck it, go all the way, get Nick Land in as a Spad.

LOOOOL that Sarah Vine email. Marina Hyde: 'Claire Blunderwood'.

Dubai, Singapore and China are also military/totalitarian states (actually don't know enough about Dubai but its too small). Doubt the Unchained guys could organise the repression of opposition that would be needed.

Dubai is an absolute monarchy that runs along technocratic lines, more or less. That's the thing - how do you get anyone other than Londoners - who are among the likely to be the most hostile to it anyway - to vote for it. You have to present it as an inevitability and remove any sense that an alternative is viable. It is a pipedream in its pure form but elements will be forced through.

simple "abolish minimum wage/force unemployed loafers into jobs" policy shd carry enough popular support

https://cucrblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/photo-1.jpg

hoarding for a building that is actually being built at old st roundabout as we type

such piquant self-awareness

it is actually a factory making white collars though

Other than maybe Sturgeon, do any hyper-effective machine politicians exist in the UK any more or are we reduced to literally everyone running around like headless chickens?

we like our politicians like the Eng football team

suspect Frank Field is not fully organic

Watson not standing against Corbyn according to Sky.

and watson apparently says that corbyn wants to quit but mcdonnell won't let him

That's the thing - how do you get anyone other than Londoners - who are among the likely to be the most hostile to it anyway - to vote for it.

people just have tho

Do what he says! Do what he says!

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I thought it was Seamus Milne who was supposedly preventing Corbyn from resigning?

Two little urchins with thick-ass East London accents just pulled up on some kind of weird go-kart and offered to take away the three sacks of rubble I've had in my front garden for six weeks. How much do you want for it? I said. 'A tenner'. Do you have a truck? I asked, smirking at them. They gestured to their weird go-kart. "Nah we'll use this." OK. What are you going to use it for? "We need to harden up our garden". I keep a straight face. OK go on then. Those strong little boys, one about 8, the other maybe 12, hoisted these incredibly heavy sacks of rubble up into their thingy, balancing one in their laps, and pootled off. I'm telling you it's a sign. It won't be long before the rag and bone man starts coming round.

Where I live you get scrapper vans circulating the estate every day, occasionally some guy shouting "any old iron". When I got a new cooker last year the old one was gone in minutes.

Real England FTW

Entrepreneurial frontiersmen of the new economy.

Leave anything outside in Hackney and it will be gone in ten minutes.

There are people who roam around the streets looking for anything they can conceivably sell or use themselves. It came in pretty handy when i was moving out. There's something enormously grim about people very politely asking if they can sort through black bags of your rubbish to see if they can find a pair of shoes that will fit them.

Angela Eagle has now said she won't stand against Corbyn.

not only do we have scrappers in Hull but they still use a horse and cart

go-kartoneros

Lol! It is probably a few years since I've seen the old trap and cart variety scrapper, but I've seen plenty of them.

Saw the full trap and cart variety in Hounslow a couple of years ago, but none since then

Kevin SchofieldVerified ‏@PolhomeEditor
Angela Eagle will NOT challenge Jeremy Corbyn. She will only stand when/if there is a contest. "It's a Mexican stand-off", says senior MP.

so does this mean someone will stand as a stalking horse? Corbyn's people seem to be pushing for rebels to put up or shut up and start a leadership challenge, would his opponents prefer that we have a few more days/weeks of Corbyn trying to struggle on without support from PLP to emphasise that his position is untenable? or is it just Eagle's reluctance to be seen as disloyal (and the pressure she's under from her local party)? if the latter, it seems pretty hollow/unconvincing given the fact that a contest of some sort now seems inevitable.

Recycling in that manner would be a healthy thing to have come back but it may just reflect how broke some people are right now. Would be good to get back to a paradigm where things were built to last and be repairable rather than throwing everything away all the time.
When the traveller park up was here they had a not very safe method of smelting copper fro various sources which stank the place out.

But there was some comment on people relearning various crafts thanks to recessions etc. Would at least mean they were practising some forms of self reliant activity. Learning to sew, grow your own veg, repair your own car whatever. On the other hand watching Hidden Killers of the Post-war Home talking about how dodgy some people's attempts at d.i.y. when it was first coming to prominence were one hopes that might be something that wouldn't repeat.

Could be some good come of things though or am I pollyannaing?

Fwiw, since everyone's a brexpert or Nostradamus these days, but this is bleak.

@ DPJHodges: Told Angela Eagle will declare tomorrow at 3.00 pm.

corbyn must look a wee bit deranged to the great_british_public at this point

his opponents have been successful in spinning this as "Corbyn vs almost all of his MPs" rather than "almost all Labour MPs vs the Labour membership", unfortunately.

crace (lol) commons sketch for the guardian:

"He rose in almost total silence, his face twisted in anger: the dividing line between stubborn ambition and personal principle has become increasingly opaque."

this idea that his refusal to resign is a sign of his ego or personal ambition: this seems crazy to me, everything I've read leads me to think that, at a personal level, Corbyn would have been much happier continuing to pootle along as a back-bencher, attending to his pet causes, but feels duty bound to fight on now the leadership has fallen into his lap. but his opponents are pushing the arrogant ego-manic angle hard, can see how it might look that way to a lot of people.

must've been hard for the PLP to spin this given the media's adoration of Corbyn

Goes beyond "Corbyn the egomaniac" into "Corbyn the personality cult" when they want to dismiss his supporters. How you can simultaneously accuse someone of cultivating a personality cult and not having a personality, i don't know.

He looked stubborn, wildly overoptimistic and pig-headed but idk if those are values that the British public disdains more than the bullying / cowardice / elitism / incompetence of the plotters. Everyone comes out of this looking terrible.

I think it would leave him heartbroken if the members didn't get to vote.