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I see there's a Remain march in London tomorrow

don't quite know what that's supposed to achieve but have fun on that, guys, and try not to make 48% of the population look too much like bitter sore losers and/or brick-throwing lunatics

funny how Theresa May was ostensibly 'Remain' but 10x less visible during Brexit campaigns than Corbyn, yet is now held up as the future of the party

https://i.imgur.com/WHIJtU5.png

I don't watch GoT but I assume it's not a compliment

funny how Theresa May was ostensibly 'Remain' but 10x less visible during Brexit campaigns than Corbyn, yet is now held up as the future of the party

An advantage in her case, a disadvantage in Corbyn's, given how voters of the respective parties voted.

He's fantasising about torturing Gove for several days, letting him think he's escaped, catching him, torturing him again, and then cutting his penis off at the end of it.

That's actually what he's doing.

!!SPOILERS!!

I see there's a Remain march in London tomorrow

don't quite know what that's supposed to achieve but have fun on that, guys, and try not to make 48% of the population look too much like bitter sore losers and/or brick-throwing lunatics

way i view it is
1) nothing about how leave will be handled or the extent to which it will happen has been decided yet and popular protest seems as decent a way as any to make your voice heard at the moment
2) to protest at a leave campaign whose messages were lies (either to deceive or inflame or both) and things that could not be carried out. a defence of democracy, tho i know that many won't see it like that
3) to stand and make a show of standing with people from other backgrounds and countries living, working, not working, and visiting this country.
4) to express the anger that i and others feel.

all of those seemed a bit more important than not appearing to be a sore loser tbh.

RIP barnett

it's fine, the shadow scottish secretary will tear this to shreds... oh...

shd add I'm not a natural marcher - co-opted by banners into groups or beliefs I don't share. but at times I don't see what else you can do.

Fizzles otm

I have hearing problems and probably shouldn't attend loud marches, but going anyway

you're right Fizzles and standing up and being counted is a good idea

I was just bristling slightly because I was told about it by someone who's been getting v "London vs ignorant turnip-farming provincials" abt this, and I am not a Londoner

Oh no you're supposed to go quietly to the detention camps cos otherwise you'll seem like a sore loser.

At the moment I think doing anything you can to try to prevent an event that has as yet not physically happened and has already created a great deal of hassle is an intelligent pursuit.

The most effective approach would probably be protesting to demand either a second referendum or (more likely) a proper general election before Article 50 is triggered.

I don't think there's anything wrong with standing up for London, a heterogeneous city of 8.5 million people that mostly (even Barnet!) voted to Remain.

Also we're about to see involuntary repatriation used as a bargaining chip by the incoming PM, and if you can't protest about that then...

understand, spacecadet. that "provincial thickos/racists" line is enraging - and have heard it from a few city types.

Owen Paterson MP
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Supporting @andrea4leader 4 clear, optimistic vision 4 UK outside EU. Economic experience w honesty, integrity & commitment 2 social justice
1:56 PM - 1 Jul 2016

How Andrea Leadsom voted on Social Issues

Has never voted on equal gay rights
Has never voted on allowing marriage between two people of same sex
Generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights

How Andrea Leadsom voted on Welfare and Benefits

Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices
Generally voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
Almost always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
Consistently voted against spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed

How Andrea Leadsom voted on Taxation and Employment

Consistently voted against increasing the tax rate applied to income over £150,000
Almost always voted against a banker’s bonus tax
Consistently voted against an annual tax on the value of expensive homes (popularly known as a mansion tax)

Surprised to see M Gove self-identifying as QPR.

It occurs to me that this makes today's surprises rather less surprising than yesterday's surprises.

Worse is the London Elite v. The Genuine Voice of the English Working Class narrative.

i think it's because they have her madge in their name? xp

xp That's true too! Take your pick of enraging/nebulous dichotomies

(and all very selectively applied - when Boris was still in the running there was a Sun article linked on this thread which described Cameron and Oliver Letwin as out-of-touch Etonians and then went on to talk about brilliant Boris would save us all or something. Er, but...)

Honestly curious why people would care about these pseudo-media-invented A vs B narratives

IS THE PLURAL OF CANNONS CANNON?!

lol

Cannii?

canneloni

this week of all fucking weeks geo. hill dies

modernism is a great way to stop shitheel politicians appropriating your work

the idea that londoners voted for remain because of their uniquely multicultural cosmopolitan weltanschauung and therefore they deserve be to treated differently to the loiners, liverpudlians and mancunians who voted similarly (& whose motives & existence are not really worth thinking about) is actually very good and I like it a lot

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jul/01/lindsay-lohan-keen-to-visit-kettering-after-offensive-eu-vote-tweet

Have definitely been trolling my white fb friends who keep sharing deeply silly petitions about separatist woketopia fka london

Manchester and Liverpool are quite welcome to join any secessionist movement afaic.

Apparently there are students in Manchester, so that explains why that city betrayed its working class roots. Don't know how they explain Liverpool though. Or Bristol. Or Cardiff.

Leicester is pretty obvious though.

some guy was in local paper the other day suggesting that brighton gains independence and basically turns into monaco

don't forget warwick :)

Liverpool doesn't read the sun

https://www.rt.com/news/349149-zeman-eu-czech-referendum/

Here we go...

http://www.gove2016.co.uk

xpost I can't quite figure out these countries that have both a prime minister and a president. Does the authority of one usurp the other?

legislature/govt and executive/head of state, normally, so their duties don't overlap

Apologies if this seems like a very navel-gaze-y response to the whole thing, but is anyone aware of any decent articles on why Scotland voted differently on Brexit from England/Wales? Or have any views on this themselves?
I'm glad that Scotland voted the way it did (though whether it will matter in the long run is obv. unclear), but I was surprised by how significant the difference was in terms of support/lack of support for Remain. A lot of the social issues that have been pointed to as factors influencing the win for Leave exist here too, so I've been struggling to fully get my head round it.

not read any analyses but here's my hunches
- lower levels of immigration + less press 'monstering' of immigrants (not less racism, scots can be insular & as nativist as the best)
- no senior politicians (kez, sturgeon, wee ruthy d) campaigned for leave
- UKIP are a /joke/ up here
- questions around why we were even having this question asked? ppl understood it was a tory obsesh & tories get short shrift in scotland (on the whole)
- scots always felt more 'european'; well, I've always felt I was european more than british. european for me = inclusive, outward looking, peaceful. british = well...

that's before you even get into the historiological aspects concerning the hollowing out of the labour base vote going to the SNP (pro-EU) in scotland, but UKIP (pro-leave) in england

plus we also have our own 'sovereignty' bête noir up here (whatever you think about the perceived inconsistencies of the SNP's position of 'independent within the EU')

Consequences of Brexit are possibly more severe for Scotland. Also Project Fear's xenophobia was designed to resonate with some people who regard the Scots in a similar way as they regard immigrants -,ie. A drain on the welfare state.

i do find myself a bit surprised by how even my most reactionary of scottish relatives seem relatively unconcerned about migration. but yes, contrary to the ideas of scottish ppl who think of us as far more enlightened than our neighbours, racism more generally continues unhindered

I think that part of the reason Scotland voted remain is because of the popularity of the SNP, who are a liberal party with an optimistic vision of Europe. Obviously there are still economic problems and racism here but I'd say that since the referendum most people are feeling more confident in politics itself and more positive about the future. There aren't any parties in England that are really providing something positive to believe in - the referendum campaign in England was basically project fear v let's stop all the foreigners coming and taking our jobs

I also think that pretty much everyone in Scotland recognises that we're a small country and that being in a union with a whole bunch of other small countries would be to our advantage (and most EU member states aren't big world powers). It seems like a lot of people in England still see themselves as being a big player on the world stage and that there's significant numbers of English people who see themselves as being somehow better than the rest of Europe

One other factor, possibly - Scottish Sun far less militantly Brexit than the English edition and broadly supportive of SNP, national Scottish newspapers generally pro-Remain

there's a significant number of English people who see themselves as being somehow better than the rest of the world