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end of season finale for real now

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/jul/03/farage-murdoch-lebedev-and-fox-break-bread-as-told-by-lily-allen

LILY ALAN FOR PRESIDETN

wtf was she doing at a party like that though? i guess some celebs are content to be the artsy window dressing at random power functions?

Saw it on Twitter but somehow managed to miss Farage's shoes

Farage has quit. Again.

cameron gone, johnson gone, farage gone, gove just about gone - thanks a million guys.

Farage quits UKIP, says he wants his life back.

oops.

Johnson pens Telegraph column on sunday saying Remainers moaning about nothing.

will it last longer than three hours this time? will he just pop up in the house of lords or a perpetual talking head or advisor or oh god there's no way to actually get rid of him now is there

Quitting UKIP might open up room for him to join a Leadsom cabinet if he gets made a Lord. There's been a suspicion for a while that Aaron Banks wanted to get rid of him and replace him with someone younger though.

guys this is hardly good news

ukip 2.0 will be much scarier

Carswell is happy though.

https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/749892870606381056

Just hearing Farrage has just resigned as head of UKIP on the BBC news channel.
I am wondering what news channel I'd be getting best reporting from but only have BBC, Sky, CNN, and Euronews as part of Virgin tv package.

Sounds like he's going to be bothering Brussels for the next couple of years though. He must be so popular now after last week's snideness.

Does Farrage shop at some mod shop or something. THose Union Jack shoes look like something the Jam might have worn in the early 80s. Or some cheapo carnaby Street emporium knocked off in China.

Q: What do you think of the attacks on people like Poles since the referendum?

Farage says some appalling things have been said. But he says bad things have been done on both sides.

Somebody was saying that since the Poles are still doing a couple of years conscription they are well trained so not the easiest people to f*** with. They were going to form a vigilante gang to get rid of the illegal traveler park-up which was causing a lot of hassle here a few weeks ago. This because their kids were getting messed with and having toys stolen etc.

http://gbrexit.com/brexit/eu-march-london-2016/

I think one of the most important things in politics is to do what you think is right. In the end you might be right or wrong but ultimately I think leadership is about assessing the situation as you see it and doing what you think is right, even if it’s not always very popular.

find this sort of thing really odd. that's from tony blair. had some similar spiel about conviction with a concomitant vagueness about how decisions are made from my MP re: resigning from the shadow cabinet and the Very Difficult Time we are in. does anyone ever say it when they've done the right thing?

I think that fellow on groovypanda's link is confused as to what a swastika actually is.

xp have always said that conviction is no excuse for doing really heinous shit

"I did what I thought was right" = "seemed like a good idea at the time lol ¯\_(ツ)_/"

What is the story on possibility of an election? Is there any way of triggering one other than a Tory prime minister calling one?
Does seem a bit wrong that this can go ahead as is without the public having any more say for the next 4 years.
Is this when we get the revolution?

guys this is hardly good news

― imago, Monday, July 4, 2016 9:31 AM (1 hour ago)

ukip 2.0 will be much scarier

― imago, Monday, July 4, 2016 9:31 AM (1 hour ago)

UKIP is basically the Farage personality cult though, it may just break up or otherwise sink below the radar now that it's basic aim is (more or less) achieved. It does depend on who takes over and the idea of it becoming a specific anti-immigration party or other general repository for far right votes is horrible, but I have a feeling this is basically the end of the line for it.

Two thirds of the House have to vote in favour of a motion calling for one. Doesn't mean the PM has to table the motion.

Also happens if there's a vote of no confidence in the government.

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it's just odd that conviction is invoked even as decisions are made, as if it's a good idea for elected officials to use some incomprehensible, private sense of morality as their main criteria. sometimes multilateral decisions are too tough and you should just do what you feel and plead this weird sort of individualist immunity

A friend points out that when the presumed next PM, while still in the "needs people to vote for her" stage of the context, can dip her toe into "send them back", there's nowhere really for UKIP to go except into literal fascism, which other parties have covered. They've won.

Also happens if there's a vote of no confidence in the government.

*and* if the opposition can't form a government - after a no-confidence vote the leader of the opposition is invited to try.

UKIP can quite easily be revived as a force if the Leave camp doesn't get their own way in the negotiations. If Banks is backing Leadsom and she wins, pulls out of Europe completely, etc, then there's limited point to them continuing. If May wins, keeps an element of free movement, signs up to trade deals that mean UK business are still bound by EU laws, etc, then there's huge scope for them to capitalise on disaffection.

Their biggest problem is that it's pretty much a collection of thugs and aging seaside eccentrics beyond Farage and Carswell. idk how they are going to change that.

Liam Fox is launching his leadership campaign. Says he'd be prepared to give up access to the single market in order to end freedom of movement.

He's starting to look like the only authentic voice of Brexit.

@MichaelLCrick

We reckon on Tory MP supporters, Andrea Leadsom (32), has now overtaken Michael Gove (31). Theresa May now on 113.

he's obviously trying to carve out a position for himself, but if he thinks that's in britain's best interest then the man's deranged xp

Remember him this way

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dmG0qCVIDNc/hqdefault.jpg

3m signatures on petition to fund Europe-wide research for travel to the alternative dimension where it was fatal.

Electorate tends to like its racist candidates to be a little more discreet, can't see a BNP plus real ale UKIP being a major voice

Liam Fox is launching his leadership campaign. Says he'd be prepared to give up access to the single market in order to end freedom of movement.

this is what michael gove says too?

Not interested in Corbyn resigning. However the road to deselections is a long one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/07/01/bernie-sanders-is-winning-some-big-victories-over-the-dem-platform/

Saw this with an eye over on our shores and thinking about what a Corbyn resignation could look like - on his own terms if the Lab right could actually put their weight on a programme with his fingerprints all over it, one which at least bridges the gap between the PLP and the base. They probably won't accept it.

So what is Corbyn being declared incompetent at, being a neoliberal?
Or a right wing member of labour?
I thought he sounded pretty competent from what i've heard so far. Hope to hear a great deal more.

CONKIP 2020 still a real danger im-pessimistic-o

There was <a href="Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era;>this</a> from Saturday, though it sounds like bullshit to be honest, designed to make him seem more arrogant every day he doesn't take this deal.

only just noticed the title change :)

this is what michael gove says too?

Gove didn't say he would give up access to the single market: he said he'd leave it, but retain access through EFTA membership (which makes it hard to avoid freedom of movement). I thought Fox seemed to be going one step further by admitting he'd be prepared to lose access if the price was freedom of movement, but I may be wrong.

this shit is so depressing:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/david-lammy-receives-death-threat-after-eu-referendum-result

i know these things have always been with us, but we seem to have reversed back to the 1970s in how brazenly hateful people are being. semi-wondering if this is going to start manifesting itself at football matches again

There are still the same number of racists as there were pre-referendum, it's just that the result made them think that they could get away with beingmore open about it.

and that there's a groundswell of overt support for them now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36708844

#UKClosedForBusiness