Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

Two thirds of the House have to vote in favour of a motion calling for one. Doesn't mean the PM has to table the motion.

Also happens if there's a vote of no confidence in the government.

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it's just odd that conviction is invoked even as decisions are made, as if it's a good idea for elected officials to use some incomprehensible, private sense of morality as their main criteria. sometimes multilateral decisions are too tough and you should just do what you feel and plead this weird sort of individualist immunity

A friend points out that when the presumed next PM, while still in the "needs people to vote for her" stage of the context, can dip her toe into "send them back", there's nowhere really for UKIP to go except into literal fascism, which other parties have covered. They've won.

Also happens if there's a vote of no confidence in the government.

*and* if the opposition can't form a government - after a no-confidence vote the leader of the opposition is invited to try.

UKIP can quite easily be revived as a force if the Leave camp doesn't get their own way in the negotiations. If Banks is backing Leadsom and she wins, pulls out of Europe completely, etc, then there's limited point to them continuing. If May wins, keeps an element of free movement, signs up to trade deals that mean UK business are still bound by EU laws, etc, then there's huge scope for them to capitalise on disaffection.

Their biggest problem is that it's pretty much a collection of thugs and aging seaside eccentrics beyond Farage and Carswell. idk how they are going to change that.

Liam Fox is launching his leadership campaign. Says he'd be prepared to give up access to the single market in order to end freedom of movement.

He's starting to look like the only authentic voice of Brexit.

@MichaelLCrick

We reckon on Tory MP supporters, Andrea Leadsom (32), has now overtaken Michael Gove (31). Theresa May now on 113.

he's obviously trying to carve out a position for himself, but if he thinks that's in britain's best interest then the man's deranged xp

Remember him this way

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dmG0qCVIDNc/hqdefault.jpg

3m signatures on petition to fund Europe-wide research for travel to the alternative dimension where it was fatal.

Electorate tends to like its racist candidates to be a little more discreet, can't see a BNP plus real ale UKIP being a major voice

Liam Fox is launching his leadership campaign. Says he'd be prepared to give up access to the single market in order to end freedom of movement.

this is what michael gove says too?

Not interested in Corbyn resigning. However the road to deselections is a long one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/07/01/bernie-sanders-is-winning-some-big-victories-over-the-dem-platform/

Saw this with an eye over on our shores and thinking about what a Corbyn resignation could look like - on his own terms if the Lab right could actually put their weight on a programme with his fingerprints all over it, one which at least bridges the gap between the PLP and the base. They probably won't accept it.

So what is Corbyn being declared incompetent at, being a neoliberal?
Or a right wing member of labour?
I thought he sounded pretty competent from what i've heard so far. Hope to hear a great deal more.

CONKIP 2020 still a real danger im-pessimistic-o

There was <a href="Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era;>this</a> from Saturday, though it sounds like bullshit to be honest, designed to make him seem more arrogant every day he doesn't take this deal.

only just noticed the title change :)

this is what michael gove says too?

Gove didn't say he would give up access to the single market: he said he'd leave it, but retain access through EFTA membership (which makes it hard to avoid freedom of movement). I thought Fox seemed to be going one step further by admitting he'd be prepared to lose access if the price was freedom of movement, but I may be wrong.

this shit is so depressing:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/david-lammy-receives-death-threat-after-eu-referendum-result

i know these things have always been with us, but we seem to have reversed back to the 1970s in how brazenly hateful people are being. semi-wondering if this is going to start manifesting itself at football matches again

There are still the same number of racists as there were pre-referendum, it's just that the result made them think that they could get away with beingmore open about it.

and that there's a groundswell of overt support for them now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36708844

#UKClosedForBusiness

just need to monetise racism and we'll be set for the foreseeable

it's just that the result made them think realise that they could get away with being more open about it.

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It's amazing how a supposedly free market government is managing to tank this so badly.

LOL #1

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 3h3 hours ago

Kinnock tells Labour MPs he will not allow the party to split after being a member 60 years, and gets standing ovation and huge cheers

LOL #2, more crocodile tears:

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 3h3 hours ago

One woman Labour MP, thought to be Lucy Powell, left the PLP meeting in tears and had to be comforted by colleagues

LOL #3, this is my favourite:

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 3h3 hours ago

MPs at PLP meeting complain they want their "party back" according to one source. At least one complaint about Marxist-Leninism taking over

First Farage wants his life back, now this. Needless to say, Corbyn cannot give these awful ppl their "party back".

Also - this could be a lot of fiction too. One source blah blah.

Johnson has endorsed Leadsom and she came out more or less neck and neck with May in a poll of members earlier. She has also hired the extremely litigious ex-Thatcher, ex-Pinochet, ex-Berezovsky, ex-Lukashenko PR man Tim Bell to assist on her campaign.

https://welfaretales.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/list-of-welfare-related-deaths-of-the-uks-sick-and-disabled/
None of this Lucy Powell cry though

made*

Kinnock said "we've got our party back" after Ed Miliband was elected leader, interesting to see all the competing, sometimes overlapping, versions of "our party". I wonder if the trade union delegate he quotes considers Corbyn's Labour as still being his/her party? Or if they're like Kinnock and their version of "our party" = "to the left of New Labour but to the right of the socialist campaign group"?

Lord Kinnock has hailed Ed Miliband's "magnificent" first speech as Labour leader, telling activists: "We've got our party back." The former Labour leader heaped praise on his successor in an impassioned speech at a Tribune rally at the party's conference in Manchester.
He said Mr Miliband would unify Labour and "set us on a course to earn victory at the next election"
"A trade union delegate leaned over and said 'Neil, we've got our party back'. I thought that was so accurate as an instantaneous response to the leader's speech."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmi0UmUWIAAPkUo.jpg

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Fair dos

There was a meme getting reposted on Facebook last week which you probably all saw but it does bear repeating: not everyone who voted for Bexit was a racist but every racist in the country now thinks that 52% of the population agrees with them.

the "don't vote for the same cause as racists" argument is logical and important which is why i'll never vote for any party that has anything to do with Jack Straw

Raheem Kassam seems to be mulling over a UKIP leadership bid, which would be...interesting. The Breitbart-Trumpification of the party would be one possible direction to go in.

can't see rank-and-file ukippers being thrilled about a dude named 'raheem kassam' leading their party no matter what his ties to farage

Yep. On paper he'd be ideal - the only UKIP member under 50 with any name recognition (apart from Carswell, who has ruled himself out), ties to the international hard-right, media-savvy despite not being particularly bright, deeply unpleasant, an irl ideologue, etc - if it wasn't for one small detail. They might calculate that having him as leader will make accusations of racism harder to stick as they professionalise their new agenda but it could be a hard sell to the party faithful.

I'm assuming Carswell's planning to rejoin the Tories as soon as he can.

Re. Kassam: https://twitter.com/hrtbps/status/750217375270576128

As i said, not particularly bright.

Farage positioning himself as more liberal on immigration than May - fun times.

I'm assuming Carswell's planning to rejoin the Tories as soon as he can.

I watched question time last week for the first time in ages and david dimbleby asked douglas carswell why he didn't rejoin the conservative party as he is always distancing himself from nigel farage and would he do so now and he said well last time I changed I asked my constituents to approve it by re-electing me and I wouldn't want to give them the hassle of having to vote again

Wanker.

:(

Next level chutzpah

@Gove2016
We need to renegotiate a new relationship with the EU, based on free trade and friendly cooperation. #Gove2016

hahah .. we piss them all off, enforce years and years of paperwork chaos, and then ask if we can be friendly.