Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

i know these things have always been with us, but we seem to have reversed back to the 1970s in how brazenly hateful people are being. semi-wondering if this is going to start manifesting itself at football matches again

There are still the same number of racists as there were pre-referendum, it's just that the result made them think that they could get away with beingmore open about it.

and that there's a groundswell of overt support for them now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36708844

#UKClosedForBusiness

just need to monetise racism and we'll be set for the foreseeable

it's just that the result made them think realise that they could get away with being more open about it.

Fixed

It's amazing how a supposedly free market government is managing to tank this so badly.

LOL #1

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 3h3 hours ago

Kinnock tells Labour MPs he will not allow the party to split after being a member 60 years, and gets standing ovation and huge cheers

LOL #2, more crocodile tears:

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 3h3 hours ago

One woman Labour MP, thought to be Lucy Powell, left the PLP meeting in tears and had to be comforted by colleagues

LOL #3, this is my favourite:

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 3h3 hours ago

MPs at PLP meeting complain they want their "party back" according to one source. At least one complaint about Marxist-Leninism taking over

First Farage wants his life back, now this. Needless to say, Corbyn cannot give these awful ppl their "party back".

Also - this could be a lot of fiction too. One source blah blah.

Johnson has endorsed Leadsom and she came out more or less neck and neck with May in a poll of members earlier. She has also hired the extremely litigious ex-Thatcher, ex-Pinochet, ex-Berezovsky, ex-Lukashenko PR man Tim Bell to assist on her campaign.

https://welfaretales.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/list-of-welfare-related-deaths-of-the-uks-sick-and-disabled/
None of this Lucy Powell cry though

made*

Kinnock said "we've got our party back" after Ed Miliband was elected leader, interesting to see all the competing, sometimes overlapping, versions of "our party". I wonder if the trade union delegate he quotes considers Corbyn's Labour as still being his/her party? Or if they're like Kinnock and their version of "our party" = "to the left of New Labour but to the right of the socialist campaign group"?

Lord Kinnock has hailed Ed Miliband's "magnificent" first speech as Labour leader, telling activists: "We've got our party back." The former Labour leader heaped praise on his successor in an impassioned speech at a Tribune rally at the party's conference in Manchester.
He said Mr Miliband would unify Labour and "set us on a course to earn victory at the next election"
"A trade union delegate leaned over and said 'Neil, we've got our party back'. I thought that was so accurate as an instantaneous response to the leader's speech."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmi0UmUWIAAPkUo.jpg

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Fair dos

There was a meme getting reposted on Facebook last week which you probably all saw but it does bear repeating: not everyone who voted for Bexit was a racist but every racist in the country now thinks that 52% of the population agrees with them.

the "don't vote for the same cause as racists" argument is logical and important which is why i'll never vote for any party that has anything to do with Jack Straw

Raheem Kassam seems to be mulling over a UKIP leadership bid, which would be...interesting. The Breitbart-Trumpification of the party would be one possible direction to go in.

can't see rank-and-file ukippers being thrilled about a dude named 'raheem kassam' leading their party no matter what his ties to farage

Yep. On paper he'd be ideal - the only UKIP member under 50 with any name recognition (apart from Carswell, who has ruled himself out), ties to the international hard-right, media-savvy despite not being particularly bright, deeply unpleasant, an irl ideologue, etc - if it wasn't for one small detail. They might calculate that having him as leader will make accusations of racism harder to stick as they professionalise their new agenda but it could be a hard sell to the party faithful.

I'm assuming Carswell's planning to rejoin the Tories as soon as he can.

Re. Kassam: https://twitter.com/hrtbps/status/750217375270576128

As i said, not particularly bright.

Farage positioning himself as more liberal on immigration than May - fun times.

I'm assuming Carswell's planning to rejoin the Tories as soon as he can.

I watched question time last week for the first time in ages and david dimbleby asked douglas carswell why he didn't rejoin the conservative party as he is always distancing himself from nigel farage and would he do so now and he said well last time I changed I asked my constituents to approve it by re-electing me and I wouldn't want to give them the hassle of having to vote again

Wanker.

:(

Next level chutzpah

@Gove2016
We need to renegotiate a new relationship with the EU, based on free trade and friendly cooperation. #Gove2016

hahah .. we piss them all off, enforce years and years of paperwork chaos, and then ask if we can be friendly.

We're helping create work in the EU.

I like this david graeber piece on the distaste for corbyn:

What all this suggests is the possibility that the remarkable hostility to Corbyn displayed by even the left-of-centre media is not due to the fact they don’t understand what the movement that placed him in charge of the Labour party is ultimately about, but because, on some level, they actually do.

After all, insofar as politics is a game of personalities, of scandals, foibles and acts of “leadership”, political journalists are not just the referees – in a real sense they are the field on which the game is played.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/05/political-establishment-momentum-jeremy-corbyn

Starting to think that the solution to this whole problem is to ban anyone over the age of 30 from joining Momentum.

It's a solution in that it'll create a stable state, I suppose...

what?

idgi

science joke

Logan's Run?

Er, no I just mean that it'll be permanent Torygeddon - it's a solution if you want to call it that.

Is stable state one without any reaction going on? Came across something like that in reading James Lovelock talking about looking for signs of life on Mars which lead to him coming up with the Gaia theory.
Which had him saying that any planet that had no continual reaction going on would be inherently dead & a living planet would have most chemicals in an imperfect balance and continual reaction.
Which would presumably mean that a stable state in a political situation would be nearly totalitarian. Or have everybody represented needing to be dead.

Or am I reading too much into that?

http://news.sky.com/story/1721982/watch-ken-clarke-ridicules-tory-candidates

Does anyone in the Conservative Party rate Gove even remotely highly or was his advancement almost entirely down to being mates with Cameron and having handy Murdoch links?

he seems beloved by a particular type of nutcase right-wing pundit (eg. this encomium from the National Review's Jay Nordlinger), don't know about actual boring Tory party politicians and members, though

The line I keep seeing bandied about regarding Gove is that the party loves him and the media loves him. Not entirely sure either bit of that is true.

pound falls to 31-year low, new twist added to end-of-season finale

M&G and Aviva have also suspended their property funds fwiw.

Gove seems to have a reputation as an intellectual within the Tory party. People really rate his education reforms for some reason.

People really rate his education reforms... all apart from teachers, pupils and parents ime

for all of michael gove's "we've had enough of experts" he could easily be mistaken either for someone who thinks he's an expert or, by an idiot, an expert

his idea to reform the history syllabus to get rid of all that social history guff and instead to teach an unabashed apologia of empire through the study of battles and great men mustve endeared him to the faithful

met and spent some time a couple of years ago the ceo of ofqual who seemingly was a fan of michael gove - looked her up just now and she has recently been "made a dame" for "services to education" and is now...chief inspector of probation which presumably means they still get to hang out together