Curb Your Authoritarianism? The 2016 Conventional Wisdom Thread (Elections, Part 6)

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no. trump doesn't have any special claim to the great city of atlantic city.

Treeship, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 16:33 (seven years ago) link

Trolling Bruce Springsteen, that's what I meant.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 16:36 (seven years ago) link

for any elected pol who isn't in the deep south, accepting the spot has a very high chance of killing their career

iatee, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 17:30 (seven years ago) link

Trump/Gingrich would be amazing, if we can go back to that for a second

volumetric god rays (DJP), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link

yeah fingers crossed!

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link

I fondly remember the time in 2012 when a strange man walked up to me at a gas station and asked "are ya voting for Newt?"

ejemplo (crüt), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link

now picturing lonely Newt, just hanging around gas stations asking baout votes

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link

xp I hope you looked at him thoughtfully for half a minute, chewing on a sprig of grass, pushed your hat back on your head and said, "Nope."

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 17:41 (seven years ago) link

xp he looked kinda like Newt in a curly wig

ejemplo (crüt), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 17:41 (seven years ago) link

or with a Jheri curl

ejemplo (crüt), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link

Newt Gingrich with a Jheri curl

who do we have to talk to to make this happen, because it HAS to happen

volumetric god rays (DJP), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 17:44 (seven years ago) link

I've started to get trump video ads on my facebook feed, god only knows why

http://i.imgur.com/QqkSx68.jpg

kinda amazing how far down the unprofessional trumpiness leaks, most local business ads look better than this

iatee, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link

unlike newt jheri curl I am not seeing the lols in the jill stein piece

pacific distances (sciatica), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 17:55 (seven years ago) link

jill stein: national security hawk who definitely has no ulterior reason for wanting clinton prosecuted

Mordy, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 17:57 (seven years ago) link

He believes he was the reason The Apprentice had the best, classiest production values is all because of him. But he can't tell the difference from zircon cufflinks and gold sharpie ink! Dunning-Kruger all over the place.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 17:59 (seven years ago) link

wanting to prosecute hillary over this shit is tacit approval of the over-designation of every motherfucking document under the sun being 'CLASSIFIED'

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 18:00 (seven years ago) link

mordy those are not jill stein worthy lols, I suspect whoever is the least funny cockburn ghostwrote that, it's typical counterpunch lash out in the dark tactics, par for the course

pacific distances (sciatica), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 18:14 (seven years ago) link

I'm still hoping for Trump/Sheen '16

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 18:23 (seven years ago) link

I suspect whoever is the least funny cockburn

Olivia Wilde?

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 18:23 (seven years ago) link

olivia wilde is a hill supporter dawg

Treeship, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 18:34 (seven years ago) link

also she is kinda funny in portlandia idk

Treeship, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link

it's typical counterpunch lash out in the dark tactics, par for the course

Not OK to be buying the right wing narrative - no way.

timellison, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 19:32 (seven years ago) link

Joni Ernst took herself out of VP consideration

timellison, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 19:32 (seven years ago) link

I hear there's a lot of that going around.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 19:48 (seven years ago) link

Trump raised $51 million in last couple weeks of June (not sure how many of that is from scottish MPs)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link

er how much

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link

in other news
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/bernie-sanders-booed-house-democrats-225161

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link

I like that the URL makes it sound like Sanders was the one doing the booing

volumetric god rays (DJP), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 20:18 (seven years ago) link

oh man: Paul Ryan wants Clapper to deny Clinton intelligence briefings.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-07-06/ryan-calls-on-clapper-to-bar-classified-briefings-for-clinton

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 20:20 (seven years ago) link

Hillary Clinton’s failure to protect critical security information is not the only thing in her tenure as Secretary that deserves the term reckless, including her decision to pursue catastrophic regime change in Libya, and to support the overthrow of democratically elected governments in Ukraine and Honduras.

Is Jill Stein pro-Putin?

Frederik B, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link

there's a left-wing meme that putin is acting out bc of nato's aggressive actions on his borders and that the west incited the protests in ukraine

Mordy, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link

isn't congress supposed to be in remission this week?

the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link

lol "remission"

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link

there's a left-wing meme that putin is acting out bc of nato's aggressive actions on his borders and that the west incited the protests in ukraine

― Mordy, 6. juli 2016 22:32 (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Are the Greens really that stupid? Sigh. Good luck, guys.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link

Congress will metastasize in the fall

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link

It's unquestionably true that the U.S did support the overthrow of the democratically elected Ukrainian government. The argument is whether it was right to do so. Clinton didn't really have much to do with it either way.

Xp

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link

to what extent is that true? i remember reading a bit ago there was the nuland phone conversation leak but iirc that wasn't terribly conclusive? and maybe some circumstantial evidence regarding flyers? idk - can you link me to something that makes a slamdunk case that the US orchestrated, or participated in a meaningful way, in the coup?

Mordy, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 21:04 (seven years ago) link

Stein didn't claim it was orchestrated by the U.S., she claimed that it was supported. Nuland and Pyatt were literally down on the front lines handing out cookies. The phone call may have been ambiguous in relation to the degree to which they were pulling the strings but nobody was in any doubt from the public statements, before or after Yanukovich went, that they thought it was a good idea. There is an argument for saying they were right but it's not clear cut.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 21:11 (seven years ago) link

Not a lot in diplomacy is

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 22:21 (seven years ago) link

Are the Greens really that stupid? Sigh. Good luck, guys.

there really aren't any US "greens" in terms of a complex party apparatus with a firm policy position. it's really just jill stein and a few folks around her.

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 23:03 (seven years ago) link

For some reason they are covering this Ohio speech and he is more insane then ever

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 6 July 2016 23:37 (seven years ago) link

Trump raised $51 million in last couple weeks of June (not sure how many of that is from scottish MPs)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-june-fundraising-report

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 July 2016 00:54 (seven years ago) link

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/750868980299104256

Mordy, Thursday, 7 July 2016 02:12 (seven years ago) link

that's pretty good

frogbs, Thursday, 7 July 2016 03:00 (seven years ago) link

#frozen

iatee, Thursday, 7 July 2016 03:20 (seven years ago) link

by the way, unless the Frozen pic is from another #WhiteGenocide account, I am now 100% sure that Trump frequents r/The_Donald

frogbs, Thursday, 7 July 2016 03:26 (seven years ago) link

you can hear the NYT writers' jaws dropping while reading this lead graf:

Donald J. Trump on Wednesday offered a defiant defense of his campaign’s decision to publish an image widely viewed as anti-Semitic — saying he regretted deleting it — and vigorously reaffirmed his praise of Saddam Hussein, the murderous Iraqi dictator.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign.html

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 7 July 2016 05:57 (seven years ago) link

He's so bad at this

Sean, let me be clear (silby), Thursday, 7 July 2016 06:13 (seven years ago) link


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