aren't cops in big cities paid pretty well? even rookie cops around here are paid more than 2x what i've ever made.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, July 8, 2016 1:49 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it really varies i think like in ferguson which is a small department in the middle of a big city their cops werent making much over minimum wage
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 17:52 (eight years ago) link
right, it varies pretty widely. but i don't think "poor pay" is a universal condition of being a cop that somehow helps explain the broad institutional problems.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:55 (eight years ago) link
Apparently this was really just one guy.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:55 (eight years ago) link
In most jurisdictions, cops are well-paid in the same sense that public school teachers are well-paid - good benefits, a decent middle-class/lower-middle-class income (before overtime and side-gigs for police). You won't starve but in urban areas it's not going to be easy.
Dallas PD had an issue a couple of years back about how few city cops could afford to live in the city itself if they wanted to raise a family.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:56 (eight years ago) link
some of the shitest dunmb assholes that i went to high school with are now cops
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:57 (eight years ago) link
I think whoever had the idea to blow the shooter up with the bomb robot probably should have to answer some questions, definitely don't think that is good procedure, even if they had to act immediately
Whoever made that call probably could have a pretty good future in software development with ideas like that, though
― mh, Friday, 8 July 2016 17:58 (eight years ago) link
someone tell the NY Times, they still had "two snipers" 20 mins ago
xxxp
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:58 (eight years ago) link
Same the world over.
― They could have been Stackridge. (Tom D.), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:59 (eight years ago) link
NY Times was where I saw this: http://www.nytimes.com/live/news-dallas-shooting-protest/johnson-was
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:59 (eight years ago) link
It's weird this turned out to be one guy, there was so much stuff going around suggesting multiple shooters, although I know I know fog of war and whatnot.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:00 (eight years ago) link
Jesus Christ,these fucking headlines. I'm bracing myself for something along the lines of 'Sniper Who Suggested That Whites Are Too Chickenshit To Engage In A Race War Kills Five White Police Officers'.
Although the most sinister yet is 'US Police Forces Respond to Dallas Attack With Grief, Action'.
― some anal dread (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:02 (eight years ago) link
If it really was one guy, I really want to know more about what exactly prompted the police to detain these other suspects.
there was footage of a guy shooting at ground level def not sniping guess it cldve been after he was on the move
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link
yeah I saw that footage too
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, July 8, 2016 6:56 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is definitely not how los angeles operates
http://per.lacity.org/psb/lapd_salary.htm
http://achieve.lausd.net/Page/4140
my understanding is that it is easier to move up to pay grade 2/po2 making 70k per annum than to do the same teaching at a public school
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:07 (eight years ago) link
do cops still get those sweet sweet pension plans after they retire or is it just for the brass
― 龜, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:08 (eight years ago) link
why? i mean, sure, it's an open question, but detaining people on even vague suspicion seems a sensible move in a situation like this.
― oculus lump (contenderizer), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:08 (eight years ago) link
Got into a p annoying fb fight with a lefty friend who was advocating for dismantling police unions. Really don't think that's the answer.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:09 (eight years ago) link
i met an ex police officer here who retired in 10yrs and was getting ~100k per annum including benefits
owns a house in a beach city and surfs all day
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:13 (eight years ago) link
also bothered by the grumbling about ex-servicemen in police forces. absent support, the implied accusation is horseshit.
― oculus lump (contenderizer), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:16 (eight years ago) link
Politicians prostrate before police unions is one of the smelliest constants in American life. deBlasio rolled over for them quickly in NYC after initially being somewhat measured.
Clinton tweeted some palaver about cops' "sacred" duty, i'm pretty sure most don't see it that way.
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:19 (eight years ago) link
― 龜, Friday, July 8, 2016 2:08 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ya and u cn retire quite young is def a huge draw is my understanding
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:21 (eight years ago) link
Sacré pd bleu
― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:22 (eight years ago) link
it is tbh def an extremely difficult job but they need to do it much better
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:22 (eight years ago) link
then you get a nice part time job in security while you collect your pension xxp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:23 (eight years ago) link
Early retirement with a large pension is one of the few things is one of the few things I have little argument about re: police.
― some anal dread (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:28 (eight years ago) link
just retire them right away imo
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:30 (eight years ago) link
how the fuck could this have been one guy? all last night the police and the news were reporting that the snipers had "triangulated" the officers. NBC played three videos taken right when the shooting started, and there's no way that could've been one guy, there were too many rounds being fired simultaneously.
― flappy bird, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:37 (eight years ago) link
turns out it was just one guy i guess
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:39 (eight years ago) link
ehhhhhhhhhh
― flappy bird, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:40 (eight years ago) link
one guy can't melt steel beams
― Οὖτις, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:42 (eight years ago) link
Forget it, flappy, it's Dallas.
― Waking Up Is For Suckers (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:42 (eight years ago) link
what are you implying flappy bird?
― Treeship, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:42 (eight years ago) link
― Waking Up Is For Suckers (Old Lunch), Friday, July 8, 2016 2:42 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:43 (eight years ago) link
Triangle Man?
― how's life, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:43 (eight years ago) link
― Treeship, Friday, July 8, 2016 2:42 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
nothing, it just seems extremely unlikely/impossible it could've been one guy given the circumstances and all the news last night. i know how much changes in a situation like this, but i heard the shooting, there were multiple guns being fired simultaneously. FWIW, Brian Williams was just interviewing an ex-SWAT guy and they both agreed the single shooter theory is insane.
― flappy bird, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:47 (eight years ago) link
weird. i would think the cops would still have an active investigation if they thought there were more shooters on the loose
― Treeship, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:48 (eight years ago) link
info disseminated at the time of crisis is universally wrong
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:49 (eight years ago) link
i wonder to what extent cop dramas and films condition regular police officers to believe that their jobs are far more dangerous than they are. /notippergore
― Mordy, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:49 (eight years ago) link
like the videos that NBC were playing last night clearly had multiple guns going off at once for a sustained period. xp i don't think anyone is on the loose, but there are another five people in custody rn
― flappy bird, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:49 (eight years ago) link
some of the shots u heard were prob being fired by the police
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:50 (eight years ago) link
one explanation for the abundance of gun shots could be echoing off the buildings. idk
― flappy bird, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:51 (eight years ago) link
rapid fire shots in a tight urban environment would reverberate and could sound like multiple shooters firing at the same time
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:51 (eight years ago) link
xp true
― Mordy, Friday, July 8, 2016 2:49 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hollywood def hangs heavy in the mind of authoritarian america, but also part of it is cops do have incredibly stressful and more dangerous than most jobs, they work literally in the field of violence, so its not much of a leap to overestimate how much their lives are in danger imo
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:52 (eight years ago) link
cops returning fire plus ricochets/echoes?
doesn't seem that crazy to me that an army vet could do the shooting alone since there were a lot of cops to aim for and they were standing out in the open, and he was likely in a secluded position of defilade
― ♫ Corbyn's on fire / PLP is terrified ♫ (jim in glasgow), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:52 (eight years ago) link
+its a self aggrandizing belief so there u go xp self
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:53 (eight years ago) link
i don't have the figures handy but i've definitely seen stats that suggest that there are many more dangerous jobs in america than law enforcement
― Mordy, Friday, 8 July 2016 18:55 (eight years ago) link
7/11 clerk in bad neighborhood
― ♫ Corbyn's on fire / PLP is terrified ♫ (jim in glasgow), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:56 (eight years ago) link
I have a friend who will testify to that very assertion.
― Waking Up Is For Suckers (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 July 2016 18:57 (eight years ago) link