Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

Gove's prison reform, does that include the fucking state they are all currently in with legal high epidemics etc or?

that's more Grayling's fault, and that of a succession of previous Home Secretaries, to be fair

Philip Hammond, the most boring man in England?

Corbyn will be on the ballot.

with the NEC ruling that the 3 pound members of the last 6 months don't get a vote. you have to have been a member longer than 6 months or to have paid the full 25 quid fee to be able to vote.

i mean im not sure what the consequences of that may be, iirc corbyn won with the existing membership the first time around - i.e. he would have won, albeit more narrowly, if all the 3 quid member votes had been ignored.

yes that's right. one thing it tells me is that a lot of these fuckers are still not interested in broad Left coalition-building or PR.

For the labour party as was, it's the end of the beginning of the end.

Re NV post I think they believe there is a parallel quantum state where their convictions rule

Convictions?

Even when presented with their own voting records they have zero conviction.

pretty sure they stand for private ownership of NHS premises, SureStarts for all and freewheeling military intervention against random states

say what you will about the tenets of third way blairism, dude, at least it's an ethos

I trust the Tories more tbh, ever since Thatcher took my milk when I was at a poor as fuck sink school in Brackenhall in the 70's. You can always rely on them to make your life worse as part of their ethos. It is these slippery snakes that affect to be part of the solution while doing much the same that are even worse in my book.

Of course dude

Discussion to be had about which are actually worse, but I would say in terms of ability to fuck you up the the Tories are way out ahead of the Blairites

Well maybe you should ask the family of ATOS related suicides or deaths what they think of Blairite/Brown legacies?

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I tend to see that as a case of B and B handing a loaded gun to their successors under the belief no-one would possibly fire it, but I can see that, they still primed it and handed it over

right, so much better than Tories then :p

@rafaelbehr Tomorrow's column. Grown-up politics in England is now a wholly owned subsidiary of the Conservative party.

feel that all broadsheet columnists should be required to wear a device that administers a large electric shock every time they type the phrase "grown-up politics"

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this is a breakdown of the first preference votes in last year's contest broken down by party members, registered supporters (i.e. the ppl who paid £3 to be able to vote) and affiliated supporters. some anti-Corbyn types of twitter have been arguing that on the basis that Corbyn received just under half of first preference votes in September, and some party members who voted for him then have become disenchanted with his leadership, he could be beaten in a race against a single opponent (this is assuming that the registered supporters have been more or less taken out of the equation by increasing the fee to £25).

from what I can gather, though, quite a lot of £3 ppl had already signed up to become full members between September and the Feb 2016 cut-off point, and there seem to have been a fair few anti-Corbyn people who cancelled their Labour membership after his election (some of whom seem to have rejoined to vote against him over the last few weeks, but have been thwarted by the February cut-off- some folks on twitter very unhappy about this - there seems to be some debate as to how long it takes for a membership cancellation to go through, and if people who cancelled over the last few months may still be able to vote)

my general impression is that the electorate who decides this Labour leadership contest may be slightly more Corbyn-sceptic than the electorate that decided the last, but probably not enough to defeat him?

on the basis that Corbyn received just under half of first preference votes in September

half of first preference votes from full party members that should say

Well, Owen smith is running now too, which should help Corbyn.

Unless it's a precursor to Eagle dropping out. She has become a laughing stock and Smith doesn't have baggage over Iraq, etc.

She was born into Labour and she'll be there a lot longer. Even if she's deselected. Apparently
Did anybody watch that Newsnight with her last night?
Is she aware of activity in her constituency branch?

is it me or is football team rhetoric like "born into Labour" part of the problem? think and talk like adults who genuinely value your goals over how you reach them, please.

Lol "grown up politics" from the party that brought you Boris Johnson.

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This speech is so far left it's shouting through the Overton window

Theresa May anagram time: hate my arse

What's she saying?

Same stuff as Birmingham speech -- and stuff literally out of Labour playbook. Govt for all, not for the few. Taxes that prioritise you, not the wealthy.

Basically, is thundering for the centre. Makes Labour positioning difficult (until the actions start speaking louder, natch).

Thinking about it, and its brief mention of Europe, it might fundamentally be acknowledging real reasons for ref result.

Hey, the core Tory vote has nowhere else to go now.

Yeah been thinking that she needed to at least acknowledge some of the base reasons for people in the neglected parts of the country to be voting to leave, even if she isn't going for an election. & making some comment on trying to deal with work to try to bring money back to some areas of the uk is a step in that direction.
Still hope we do get an election and she does get to be the shortest living active PM

Taxes that prioritise you, not the wealthy.

sorry if i'm being dim, but what does that mean?

She is speaking in a register that the wealthy can't hear.

Awesome, may making egalitarian populist noises while labour continues to fuck itself. Can anyone loan me an enormous solid oaken desk for me to smash my head against, thx

wake up sheePLPe

If jeremy corbyn achieved anything it was getting theresa may to briefly pretend to want to realign party policy slightly leftward, again

gideon's resigned

a nation mourns

Hammond confirmed as Chancellor.

Osborne seemed invincible barely a year ago, and Hammond a non-entity.

He was Foreign Secretary! But yeah, weirdly anonymous as far as they generally go.

Boris made it into #10 remarkably early in the running as far as Cabinet appointments go. They can't be giving him one of the big jobs can they?

Boris at Downing Street. This apparently denotes he will likely be getting one of the big jobs, perhaps Foreign Secretary. David Davis there too, possible Brexit minister.

Better to have Boris inside pissing out and also a - the? - Brexit voice to sell the fudge?

The idea of Boris being given Foreign Secretary is just fucking preposterous. She must be giving him Transport or Culture, Media & Sport or something?

people were speculating earlier that Chris Grayling could be Brexit minister *shudder*

johnson is foreign sec