Curb Your Authoritarianism? The 2016 Conventional Wisdom Thread (Elections, Part 6)

and here's why

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee is seeking funds through arbitration from Sam Nunberg, who was fired from the campaign last summer amid clashes with then-campaign manager Corey Lewandowski and for posting what the campaign said was racially offensive material on Facebook.

"we've told you a million times, you have to use Twitter for that."

uh except back in sept 2015

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/sep/02/11-examples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/

fetterman endorsed hill today: https://twitter.com/HillaryforPA/status/753244547220549632

another poll btw

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnRvQvoWAAAC3w0.jpg

Meanwhile:

The Huffington Post attempted to call the contact phone numbers for the Trump campaign in all 50 states. A few of the state operations had no websites or no numbers listed. Many of the other numbers didn’t work. When we left voicemails, we didn’t get callbacks.

On only six occasions did someone actually answer the phone. And in several of those instances, the person who picked up explained that a physical office would be opened up only after the convention.

on sign anecdotage - just got back from a family car trip Minnesota - Omaha - Denver - SLC - Oakland - Portland - Seattle - Missoula - ND - and the only places I can recall seeing Trump signs were northern Oregon and eastern Washington. happily surprised by the lack of apparent enthusiasm.

a nice summation of how we/the gop got here: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n15/eliot-weinberger/they-could-have-picked

I mean that premise is simultaneously amazing

I suppose it is if you are hell-bent on the narrative that there are absolutely no redeeming qualities in Hillary Clinton or her style of governance.
--http://porno (DJP)

I think article would be repellant whomever it was written about (or by). Lame personality politics schtick.

if you are hell-bent on the narrative that there are absolutely no redeeming qualities in Hillary Clinton or her style of governance.

Pretty close... to Eddie S. Glaude, Jr., chair of the Department of African American Studies at Princeton University.

Democratic values centered on economic and racial justice shape my own politics. I’m not convinced those values shape hers. Nothing Clinton says or intends to do if elected will fundamentally transform the circumstances of the most vulnerable in this country—even with her concessions to the Sanders campaign. Like the majority of Democratic politicians these days, she is a corporate Democrat intent on maintaining the status quo. And I have had enough of all of them.

time.com/4402823/glaude-hillary-clinton/

https://time.com/4402823/glaude-hillary-clinton/

I'm totally fine with disliking both candidates and therefore not voting but this is definitely the clearest case of "lesser of two evils" as there will ever be in my lifetime (for the record, I think Hillary will be just fine)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/us/politics/republican-convention-speakers-donald-trump.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur

The list, which is subject to change, as obtained by The New York Times:

Night 1: A Benghazi focus, followed by border patrol agents and Mr. Shaw, whose son was killed by an undocumented immigrant. Senator Cotton, Mr. Giuliani, Melania Trump, Ms. Ernst and others.

Night 2: A focus on the economy: Mr. White, president of the U.F.C.; Asa Hutchinson, the governor of Arkansas; Michael Mukasey, the former United States attorney general; Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, a vice-presidential possibility; Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader; Tiffany Trump; Donald Trump Jr. and Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin.

Night 3: Ms. Bondi; Ms. Collins; Newt Gingrich, a former House speaker; Senator Ted Cruz of Texas; Eric Trump; Ms. Gulbis; and the nominee for vice president.

Night 4: Mr. Tebow; Representative Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee; Gov. Mary Fallin of Oklahoma; Reince Priebus, the Republican National Committee chairman; Gov. Rick Scott of Florida; Mr. Thiel; Mr. Barrack; Ivanka Trump; Donald J. Trump.

Sad!

Not enough Hot New Country.

Also, absent names suggest Tom Brady as VP nom.

Mr. Tebow!!!!

is that a normal amount of family members or a crazy amount of family members

no that's a crazy amount. normally it's just the spouse.

otoh it's not like sasha + malia were old enough to speak... jack carter was 29 in 1976 but the internet doesn't say that he spoke at either 1976 or 1980

I thought there'd be a Focus on Tweeting night.

ooo apparently robin dole spoke at the RNC in 1996

http://i.imgur.com/XfytbaM.jpg

Sen. Dole, Robin Dole, Shirley Temple Black

I'm glad the millions of government money spent on investigating Benghazi makes night 1 dope as fuck

Ain't No Party Like A Benghazi Party...

yeah, they sure do start off with a bang, huh

whatever leftover underdog appeal tebow had left in my heart has turned to dogshit

Night 1: A Benghazi focus, followed by border patrol agents and Mr. Shaw, whose son was killed by an undocumented immigrant.

this is just incredible

it's like the stones bringing out stevie wonder

actually didn't this happen at altamont

I'm totally fine with disliking both candidates and therefore not voting but this is definitely the clearest case of "lesser of two evils" as there will ever be in my lifetime (for the record, I think Hillary will be just fine)

― frogbs

honestly this election for me has revealed the limitations of the "lesser of two evils" voting policy. because i look at all the republicans advocating voting for trump on the grounds that he's the "lesser evil" and i think, boy, that's just the wrongest thing i can possibly imagine. it's not merely that they're factually wrong in calling him the "lesser evil". saying these things exposes the moral corruption inherent in giving one's endorsement to someone you truly believe is a terrible person.

people who believe sec. clinton is evil should not vote for her. i think they should strongly challenge their assumptions as to why they believe that, but if your options are two people you strongly believe to be evil, non-participation in the process is an ethical option.

for the record, i do not believe sec. clinton is evil.

Yeah it's incredibly frustrating - people dislike Hillary because she's a corporate shill (whatever that means), meanwhile their candidate is actively pursuing his business interests while running for office, and frequently boasts about not paying taxes and dicking over his business partners. They talk about how they "just don't trust her", while supporting a candidate who literally just makes shit up on the spot, with Politifact ranking 75% of his statements as False (that number rises to 90% if you include the ones ranked "Half True"). The Jim Jeffries bit where he describes Trump as being like a kid running for class president..."We're gonna have two lunches...and a soda machine in every room!!" is so spot on. I mean if you cut all the bullshit and just look at the facts - Hillary mostly tells the truth and has gotten great marks when she's been on the job. Our country is by nearly every metric better off now than it was 8 years ago. I really do not understand what people voting for Trump actually think he's going to do in office.

Establish a Department if Ultimate Fighting?

Hillary mostly tells the truth and has gotten great marks when she's been on the job

lie la lie

lol

https://www.propublica.org/article/what-newt-gingrich-really-thinks-of-donald-trump

lol

https://www.propublica.org/article/what-newt-gingrich-really-thinks-of-donald-trump

― frogbs

fuck. guys, you're supposed to release this _after_ trump names him as his veep!

americans are going to look back on the email scandal + wonder wtf they were thinking when they invested so much attention + concern into it. they're a bunch of easily manipulated dupes who think that they're savvy, cynical operators.

she definitely took a hit in the polls but with these news cycles it will be forgotten about soon enough .

I'm guessing that without the email scandal people would sub in something else, right? Like it serves as an outlet for natural distrust.

the fact that Trump has anything more than an outsider shot is still legitimately terrifying, though

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-poll.html?_r=0

Mrs. Clinton’s six-percentage-point lead over the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald J. Trump, in a CBS News poll last month has evaporated. The two candidates are now tied in a general election matchup, the new poll indicates, with each receiving the support of 40 percent of voters.

media is pretty disingenuous too - cherrypicking polls to make the race look closer and more dramatic than it is to sell clicks. but i guess we knew all this going in. still disappointing to see NYT do huffpost level analysis w/ the veneer of sophisticated gray lady.

A how-to manual:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-when-to-freak-out-about-shocking-new-polls/

looks like Trump's support isn't going up, rather Clinton's supporters are jumping to 3rd parties

so should clinton be focusing her efforts on gary johnson?

http://worldif.economist.com/article/12166/world-v-donald

RBG just apologized for her comments, god damnit

Guessing this means Donald flipping out and acting like a child is gonna be vindicated

I've seen a lot of friends-of-friends flipping from Bernie to Johnson in the past few days. It's weird and dumb.

i find the bernie-johnson flip useful because it indicates what percentage of bernie supporters don't actually believe in any of bernie's policies, but were only supporting him because of personal animosity against clinton. looks like roughly a third or so.

johnson is getting more support than stein right now because johnson, unlike stein, is a professonal politician. of course that means that he could be undermined fairly easily just by pointing out his history as a republican. anybody whose support is based on who they're not tends to suffer when it becomes apparent who they are.

Also, in fairness, penis.

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It's not that different from our current board description!