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With his best man in tow.

They could have been Stackridge. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 22:55 (eight years ago) link

Incredible to me how often I still hear interviews with Brexit supporters who claim not to have understood what they were voting for and what the consequences would be. I don't know if I'm impressed or scared that over here I get the impression that Trump voters, otoh, know *exactly* what to expect from him, and would be disappointed at anything less.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 22:58 (eight years ago) link

Good thing the shadow cabinet is well-placed to start challenging these fuckers

New season of New Blood starts tonight at 9pm. Then I'll probably turn in. Having such a big clear mandate to lead the party does get tiring at my age.

For bodies we are ready to build pyramids (wtev), Thursday, 14 July 2016 05:52 (eight years ago) link

@DanMilmo 16m16 minutes ago
Philip Hammond says UK will leave single market. So that rules out the EEA option.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 14 July 2016 07:11 (eight years ago) link

pack your bags kids, we're heading for China

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 July 2016 07:17 (eight years ago) link

Philip Hammond on Radio 4 just now effectively said don't worry about Boris, the grown-ups will keep him in line

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 July 2016 07:24 (eight years ago) link

Where the fuck is the mandate for leaving the market? Polling shows 2/3 of country wants it, way more than care about immigration. Fucking hell.

stet, Thursday, 14 July 2016 08:32 (eight years ago) link

May, Hammond... now just waiting for Clarkson...

koogs, Thursday, 14 July 2016 08:33 (eight years ago) link

Polling shows 2/3 of country wants it

wants it or wants to leave it?

woke newt (stevie), Thursday, 14 July 2016 08:34 (eight years ago) link

Where the fuck is the mandate for leaving the market? Polling shows 2/3 of country wants it, way more than care about immigration. Fucking hell.

Been some clarification since:

‏@DanMilmo 1 hour ago

Reuters:HAMMOND SAYS WE'LL COME OUT OF SINGLE MARKET AS A RESULT OF THE DECISION TO LEAVE EU AND I WOULD LIKE US TO NEGOTIATE ACCESS TO IT

groovypanda, Thursday, 14 July 2016 09:01 (eight years ago) link

Come on, these guys will sacrifice virtually everything to remain in the single market.

Matt DC, Thursday, 14 July 2016 09:06 (eight years ago) link

Davis said he expected the EU to continue to allow the UK tariff-free access to the single market, even with the UK imposing new border controls.

This leaves the question of Single Market access. The ideal outcome, (and in my view the most likely, after a lot of wrangling) is continued tariff-free access. Once the European nations realise that we are not going to budge on control of our borders, they will want to talk, in their own interest. There may be some complexities about rules of origin and narrowly-based regulatory compliance for exports into the EU, but that is all manageable.

i don't really understand this. if the eu raise barriers to uk imports, won't that favour eu producers and manufacturers and be a net gain for the eu in the long run? is there anything we produce in this country that can't be made elsewhere for less? or is he talking about tariffs on goods that we import? the eu wouldn't want their costs to increase and it would only cause inflation here anyway, so surely that would be undesirable for both parties.

frank field of the nephilim (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2016 09:29 (eight years ago) link

also: Michael Gove has been sacked as justice secretary

maracas.jpeg etc

frank field of the nephilim (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2016 09:30 (eight years ago) link

unless priti patel gets promoted to that post of course

frank field of the nephilim (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2016 09:31 (eight years ago) link

Clarification makes things better. But yes polling said 2/3 value single market over immigration controls.

Davis confusing: some people rate him as a big brain (who has negotiated EU treaties in the past!) but his statements and proposals are all denying reality. Single market isn't about tariffs anyway; it's about regs and non-tariff barriers.

He is either lying or something else going on.

stet, Thursday, 14 July 2016 09:45 (eight years ago) link

jeremy hunt rumoured to have taken a bullet, a nation(al health service) mourns

frank field of the nephilim (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2016 10:01 (eight years ago) link

Today is about to be declared a national holiday in Lewisham.

Matt DC, Thursday, 14 July 2016 10:06 (eight years ago) link

it's always etc etc

imago, Thursday, 14 July 2016 10:07 (eight years ago) link

nicky morgan sadness in her eyes jpg

nashwan, Thursday, 14 July 2016 10:11 (eight years ago) link

Sounds like Hunt may not have been altogether fired from what they've just been saying on BBC News channel. Just moved to another dept.

Stevolende, Thursday, 14 July 2016 10:30 (eight years ago) link

That's interesting. Morgan had a reputation for competence within the party, if not the teaching profession. Gove and Osborne getting the boot is personal above anything else. May doesn't like either of them.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 14 July 2016 10:34 (eight years ago) link

could it be as simple as nicky morgan being a backer of michael gove

conrad, Thursday, 14 July 2016 10:40 (eight years ago) link

Yes, quite possibly.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 14 July 2016 10:42 (eight years ago) link

I probably prefer Morgan to most Labour MPs, as far as Tories go she didn't seem that bad. Although this might be a misconception on my part.

calzino, Thursday, 14 July 2016 10:43 (eight years ago) link

remember when she told members of the second largest teachers' union that it was no wonder that people didn't want to join the profession when they complain so much about how bad it has become

conrad, Thursday, 14 July 2016 10:46 (eight years ago) link

She made some good noises abou SEN teaching the other day, but alas still a Tory!

calzino, Thursday, 14 July 2016 10:48 (eight years ago) link

Liz Truss just been given Justice.

Stevolende, Thursday, 14 July 2016 10:51 (eight years ago) link

oy

The first of the Britannia Unchained cru to get a top role, presumably not the last.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 14 July 2016 10:53 (eight years ago) link

Greening got Education.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 14 July 2016 10:55 (eight years ago) link

have been reading The Maisky Diaries recently, his rants about the "coarse oaf" German Foreign secretary Ribbentrop - portray him as very similar in character to Boris.

calzino, Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:02 (eight years ago) link

Greening is also Equalities Minister

On 16 Apr 2013:
Justine Greening voted to remove the duty on the Commission for Equality and Human Rights to work to support the development of a society where people's ability to achieve their potential is not limited by prejudice or discrimination and there is respect for human rights.

On 16 Apr 2013:
Justine Greening voted against making it illegal to discriminate on the basis of caste

On 26 May 2016:
Justine Greening voted in favour of repealing the Human Rights Act 1998;

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:04 (eight years ago) link

Global trade deals will be bigger outside than in the EU, says David Davis

The biggest trade deals you've ever seen!

ǂbait (seandalai), Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:07 (eight years ago) link

Somebody just said taht Hunt appears to have voluntarily stepped down.

Defence secretary is the one person staying in place.

Liam Fox secretary of state for international trade. (& Foreign Secretary job seems to have been somewhat downsized)

Business dept been hollowed out and partially given over to Greening.
Possibly the rest going to Fox.

So what happens in a couple of months when labour gets in? Or do people normally shuffle what depts do what between different governments.

Stevolende, Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:09 (eight years ago) link

"So what happens in a couple of months when labour gets in?"

I hope you are willing to bare your arse on the Town Hall steps if this impossible outcome occurs!

calzino, Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:12 (eight years ago) link

Gavin Williamson as chief whip

Stevolende, Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:17 (eight years ago) link

@SharonBarbour
BBC understands Jeremy Hunt now expected to stay in his post at the Department of Health.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:26 (eight years ago) link

This is all a fabulous example of why you should maybe wait two or three days before deciding a PM is "a safe pair of hands".

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:27 (eight years ago) link

Global trade deals will be bigger outside than in the EU, says David Davis

i don't know what that means exactly, but shifting most of our trade to non-eu partners is so nuts from the pov of meeting our carbon targets

frank field of the nephilim (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:29 (eight years ago) link

I was the first person to bring TM up as a PM possibility and I haven't once referred to her as that.

a nice cup of tea and a sit-in (suzy), Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:30 (eight years ago) link

Gavin Williamson as chief whip

Read that as: Gavin Williamson as chief wimp

They could have been Stackridge. (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:34 (eight years ago) link

the pov of meeting our carbon targets

biggest lol of the month so far

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:39 (eight years ago) link

well it's something we barely had a grip on anyway, but it is an important issue. one of a huge many though obv

frank field of the nephilim (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:49 (eight years ago) link

talking of which:

Christopher Hope Verified account
‏@christopherhope

Department of Business, Innovation and Skills, Department for Energy and Climate Change and Department for Transport are set to be closed.

frank field of the nephilim (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:51 (eight years ago) link

if those are all merged, climate change will just get buried as a concern surely?

frank field of the nephilim (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:52 (eight years ago) link

honi soit qui mal y pense

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:53 (eight years ago) link

Department of A New Life Under The Sea

nashwan, Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:54 (eight years ago) link

Crabb's a shoo-in lol

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:55 (eight years ago) link

https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/753553917435318272

@jon_bartley
I’m on a hospital ward with my son, awaiting a delayed and postponed operation. Huge cheer just erupted at news Jeremy Hunt has been sacked.

@LouiseMensch
Well scumbag enjoy the fact you were wrong you loathsome tit. Jeremy is staying

groovypanda, Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:56 (eight years ago) link

Hang on, I've missed this. Where is Transport going?

stet, Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:56 (eight years ago) link

(xp) WTF?!?!?!

They could have been Stackridge. (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 July 2016 11:58 (eight years ago) link


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