i'm reading that it's a terrorist attack not a coup
― Mordy, Friday, 15 July 2016 19:52 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/AkyolinEnglish/status/754040782819061760
― Mordy, Friday, 15 July 2016 19:53 (eight years ago) link
lol, it's Turkey. How many do they need to have before it becomes likely?
They haven't had one in a while!
― 24 Hour Sex Ban Man (Tom D.), Friday, 15 July 2016 19:54 (eight years ago) link
i'm seeing on twitter reports of gunfire? who knows..
― nomar, Friday, 15 July 2016 19:55 (eight years ago) link
Cmon people, coup is highly unlikely. Surprised ppl are so willing to spread rumors like that.
Reading reports on Turkey going into lockdown due to terror threat.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 15 July 2016 19:56 (eight years ago) link
Shots heard in Ankara xp
A coup is not impossible. The last one was in 1997, effectively, and the Turkish military has a clear dedication to remove governments that are considered to be violating the spirit of the Ataturk secularism policy. If a coup was unlikely, Erdogan wouldn't have spent the last six or seven years trying to replace most of the top military commanders in the country.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:00 (eight years ago) link
i think the question re a coup would be why now and not in 2013.
― Mordy, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:01 (eight years ago) link
According to a pro Erdogan paper Gulenists are trying to occupy the army HQ https://twitter.com/sendika_org/status/754041560652779520
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:01 (eight years ago) link
I could just walk down to any one of a dozen local shops, they're bound to be watching it on TV there.
― 24 Hour Sex Ban Man (Tom D.), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:01 (eight years ago) link
... ask them to tell me what's going on.
― 24 Hour Sex Ban Man (Tom D.), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:02 (eight years ago) link
One of the main Turkish papers is reporting a helicopter gunship has opened fire on something, though nobody knows what.
Gulenists get blamed for everything so take that with a pinch of salt.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:02 (eight years ago) link
Shi... Turkey's PM is calling it a coup, on NTV...
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:04 (eight years ago) link
Xp that's why I added 'pro Erdogan paper' ShariVari
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:05 (eight years ago) link
PM Yikdirim says the attempt doesn't amount a military coup but that there are some groups in military "behaving irresponsibly"
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:07 (eight years ago) link
Oh, Sky has it.
― 24 Hour Sex Ban Man (Tom D.), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:07 (eight years ago) link
... BBC lagging behind as usual.
"Action being taken without chain of command"
― 24 Hour Sex Ban Man (Tom D.), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:08 (eight years ago) link
The UN internal messaging is that the Air Force and Military Police are attempting a coup.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:10 (eight years ago) link
State broadcaster TNT taken over by military. Dang.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:11 (eight years ago) link
TRT, soz
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:14 (eight years ago) link
crazy
― Mordy, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:14 (eight years ago) link
If it actually is the Gulenists this time, we'll never hear the end of it...
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:18 (eight years ago) link
Still nothing on BBC, they are useless. Sky on the story.
― 24 Hour Sex Ban Man (Tom D.), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:18 (eight years ago) link
Television absolutely useless. Beeb not live yet, CNN immediately talking about "how this affects US foreign policy"...
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:22 (eight years ago) link
Ataturk Airport supposedly under control of army faction.
Erdogan is not in Turkey btw, but in Mongolia on some business trip.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:27 (eight years ago) link
what will putin be making of this?
― ogmor, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:28 (eight years ago) link
Breaking: Armed forces just broadcasted they have "taken control of the country"
Holy fucking shit.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:29 (eight years ago) link
Statement by military read out on Turkish tv: to again obtain constitutional democratic hum rights we are officially managing the country."
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:30 (eight years ago) link
yay another night of not going to bed and watching the news
― cookware regression (Dinsdale), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:36 (eight years ago) link
I wonder if Boris regretting accepting that Foreign Secretary role.
― 24 Hour Sex Ban Man (Tom D.), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:38 (eight years ago) link
lol
― imago, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:38 (eight years ago) link
The military announcement was apparently unsigned, which some are taking to mean it's a coup of lower-ranking officers.
Erdogan has been preparing for this for years and i'd expect him to still have some of the military and the majority of the security forces onside. He also has a huge chunk of the country backing him. This is not a good combination.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:38 (eight years ago) link
AKP mayors and senior MPs are calling people out on to the streets.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:40 (eight years ago) link
out *on* to the streets? as in the opposite of curfew?
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:45 (eight years ago) link
party
― imago, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:45 (eight years ago) link
To protest (xp) Not me, brother.
― 24 Hour Sex Ban Man (Tom D.), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:46 (eight years ago) link
xp, yes, they want a popular uprising against the military uprising, probably calculating that Kemalist rebels won't fight civilians.
Army Chief Of Staff has been taken hostage, so it's a coup against the top brass as well as the government.
Most of the senior officers are loyal to Erdogan, having replaced the ones he kicked out in anticipation of a coup. If he hangs on, i can't see him not doubling down on the centralisation of power and purging of military / Gulenist influences. He's going to come out of it looking justified.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:46 (eight years ago) link
he kinda is tho right? i don't like him at all but he was elected legitimately and the army should be subservient to the civilian government even if they think they have a really really good reason for deposing the leader.
― Mordy, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:49 (eight years ago) link
man this is crazy
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 July 2016 20:52 (eight years ago) link
cautiously optimistic but idk
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/754051565695238146
#BREAKING TURKISH JUSTICE MINISTER SAYS US-BASED IMAM FETHULLAH GULEN'S FOLLOWERS IN MILITARY ATTEMPTING TO SEIZE POWER
― goole, Friday, 15 July 2016 21:00 (eight years ago) link
One of the Turkish news agencies is reporting that Erdogan is on his way to Ataturk airport, which would be a twist.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 15 July 2016 21:07 (eight years ago) link
Coup statement just read aloud on TRT: curfew in place and "new constitution"
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 15 July 2016 21:08 (eight years ago) link
did you expect him to just hang out in Mongolia
xp
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 July 2016 21:08 (eight years ago) link
Ataturk Airport is reportedly under occupation.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 15 July 2016 21:09 (eight years ago) link
If he hangs on, i can't see him not doubling down on the centralisation of power and purging of military / Gulenist influences. He's going to come out of it looking justified.
I just heard a suggestion that this might be a faux coup to create exactly this effect
― El Tomboto, Friday, 15 July 2016 21:10 (eight years ago) link
lol this would be a pretty extreme false flag operation
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 July 2016 21:11 (eight years ago) link
xp false flag operation, eh? I'd be skeptical
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 15 July 2016 21:11 (eight years ago) link
i feel like he'd much prefer to centralize slowly + deliberately like has been the ongoing process rather than create all these conditions for instability to the regime
― Mordy, Friday, 15 July 2016 21:12 (eight years ago) link