the downside is clinton is going to win anyway and a republican governor would get to pick warren's replacement
― k3vin k., Monday, 18 July 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link
warren much more useful in congress, but nobody listens to what is useful
― mh, Monday, 18 July 2016 20:28 (seven years ago) link
im sure ive talked about it already (itt probably too), but julian would be one to look at (joaquin hasnt been in congress that long). julian's got some HUD shit in his closet, nothing that would stray voters away, and he's denied that he's a VP candidate. out of sheer pigheaded san antonio chauvinism, i would be excited if he were selected. but knowing HRC, she'll pick kaine to appeal to latinxs. because he speaks spanish. bc thats how she thinks about shit like that.
many xposts
― 6 god none the richer (m bison), Monday, 18 July 2016 20:28 (seven years ago) link
we've been over this before and i disagree, though she is more useful in the senate in the sense that she is a democrat and her replacement would not be xp
― k3vin k., Monday, 18 July 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
Presumably, if Warren is a very vocal and active campaigner for Hillary, she'll have a fair number of chits to cash in when HRC is prez.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 18 July 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
plenty of time during the 7 week recess for warren to hit the trail even if she's not on the ticket
xp aimless otm
― he mea ole, he kanaka lapuwale (sciatica), Monday, 18 July 2016 20:30 (seven years ago) link
harry reid at least believes that they can limit the appointee to like 3 months or possibly nothing fwiw xxp
― Mordy, Monday, 18 July 2016 20:30 (seven years ago) link
Warren being a strong campaigner would be useful if her proposed reforms are adopted in the democrat platform and actually succeed, otherwise it could backfire and burn out her credibility
― mh, Monday, 18 July 2016 20:31 (seven years ago) link
i think she's an ace in the hole and it would be absurd not to pick her. there is no guarantee that clinton is going to "win anyway." what if everyone gets so bored of her they don't show up to vote?
― Treeship, Monday, 18 July 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link
ftr if it's Warren, there would be a special election to permanently fill her seat; the gubernatorial appointment would be temporary but could run to retain the seat
https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2016/06/11/warren-vp-chatter-highlights-massachusetts-special-election-law
― http://porno (DJP), Monday, 18 July 2016 20:33 (seven years ago) link
seems weird and kinda deflating to pick a white dude but i dunno
― he mea ole, he kanaka lapuwale (sciatica), Monday, 18 July 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link
Lickenpooperi can get behind this
i can get behind this
Thread's turning into the Human Centipede already.
― Last Brexit to Oakland (Leee), Monday, 18 July 2016 20:37 (seven years ago) link
what is the human centipede if not a heartwarming tale of teamwork and bipartisanship
― report your crimes to my burning ghost cock (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 18 July 2016 20:38 (seven years ago) link
I really want a Pence/Vilsack debate because I still find childish euphemisms for male genitalia hilarious
Gary Johnson should pick Dick Armey as his VP then.
― Last Brexit to Oakland (Leee), Monday, 18 July 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link
not saying these things aren't factors, but talking about candidates purely as gender/race/region boxes to check tends to lead to some poorly thought out candidates, cf the GOP.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 18 July 2016 20:41 (seven years ago) link
― http://porno (DJP), Monday, July 18, 2016 4:33 PM (9 minutes ago)
i'm a little worried about MA's ability to not fuck up and vote in another republican to statewide office, you guys seem to love doing that
― k3vin k., Monday, 18 July 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link
I'm not convinced Warren will be picked, but I'll be disappointed if she isn't. Everyone else seems really boring.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 18 July 2016 20:44 (seven years ago) link
And yes, MA could totally screw up the Senate election
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 18 July 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link
This is 100% a valid worry but:
- Both Scott Brown and Charlie Baker's wins are directly attributable to MA rejecting Martha Coakley, who I don't think will run again;- Scott Brown's post-Senate career has been embarrassing to the point where I assume a good chunk of MA would never vote for anyone like him again
― http://porno (DJP), Monday, 18 July 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link
Is there another way to view VPs? I mean, they exist to shore up Presidential candidates' weaknesses, with a veneer of "this person is competent, should the President die" but no one actually votes based on the idea of the VP eventually being President for reals.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 18 July 2016 21:06 (seven years ago) link
I know multiple MA Republicans who pointedly did not vote for McCain after he selected Palin.
― http://porno (DJP), Monday, 18 July 2016 21:20 (seven years ago) link
(partially because of the massive lapse in judgment the pick showed and partially because they were concerned the stress of the job might kill him and we'd end up with President Palin)
― http://porno (DJP), Monday, 18 July 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link
Sarah Palin was really a pivotal figure in my understanding of the GOP mindset.
― based stress reduction (crüt), Monday, 18 July 2016 21:22 (seven years ago) link
the point where they obviously veered from a selection process to an "oh shit, we need to attract more people" anything goes mindset
― mh, Monday, 18 July 2016 21:25 (seven years ago) link
i still don't get it
― Treeship, Monday, 18 July 2016 21:27 (seven years ago) link
Yosemite Sam: likes guns, appeals to rural people and not just elite urban ppl, ties up crucial "cartoon people" vote
a lock for a republican VP choice
― mh, Monday, 18 July 2016 21:27 (seven years ago) link
Conversely, I'd reckon that a depressingly large number did vote for McCain because of Palin.
― Last Brexit to Oakland (Leee), Monday, 18 July 2016 21:42 (seven years ago) link
immortan joe: strong law-and-order track record, ex-military man, nuanced understanding of the dangers of climate change
admittedly his record on women's reproductive issues is spotty but nobody's perfect
― report your crimes to my burning ghost cock (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 18 July 2016 21:50 (seven years ago) link
Surely he'd clash with the Bundy free Federal landers on issues of water rights
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 18 July 2016 22:00 (seven years ago) link
those fuckers are no match for the war boys
― report your crimes to my burning ghost cock (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 18 July 2016 22:05 (seven years ago) link
What happened to Sherrod Brown? Wouldn't he be a good choice?― Iago Galdston, Monday, July 18, 2016 2:16 PM (1 hour ago)he's a senator in a state with a republican governor!― k3vin k., Monday, July 18, 2016 4:00 PM (4 hours ago)
Thanks for explaining why!
― Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 00:11 (seven years ago) link
the senate is more important than the vp choice imo
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 00:16 (seven years ago) link
but the PAGEANTRY! it is one of the sacred rites, and must be discoursed upon
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 00:17 (seven years ago) link
funny how Clinton is the embodiment of everything Warren has railed against for years, innit
funny ol' life
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 01:20 (seven years ago) link
I don't think you entirely understand how Elizabeth Warren sees her job, morbs.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 01:24 (seven years ago) link
Political positions of Elizabeth WarrenFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Senator Elizabeth Warren of MassachusettsElizabeth Warren is the senior United States Senator from Massachusetts and a member of the Democratic Party.In January 2012, the UK magazine New Statesman, named Warren as one of the "top 20 US progressives". Other members on the list include Paul Krugman, Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, and Rachel Maddow.[1]Contents [hide] 1 Economics1.1 Jobs1.2 Trade1.3 Taxes2 Energy and the environment3 Foreign policy and national security3.1 Afghanistan3.2 Israel3.3 Iran3.4 Defense spending4 Structure of government4.1 Campaign reform4.2 Consumer Financial Protection Bureau4.3 TARP oversight4.4 Glass-Steagall legislation5 Social issues5.1 Abortion5.2 LGBT rights5.3 DREAM Act5.4 Gun laws6 Healthcare7 Education8 Notes9 ReferencesEconomicsJobsWarren believes that America has both a short-term and a long-term jobs problem.[citation needed] Warren notes that China spends 9% of its GDP on infrastructure, and Europe spends about 5% of GDP, while the US is spending only 2.4% and is looking for cuts.[2] She supports a small tax increase on those making more than $1 million per year to pay for jobs such as rebuilding the roads, bridges, and water systems. She believes that the added money in circulation would help to build the economy as well.[2]Warren has a long record of working to assist self-employed workers and small businesses. She believes small business owners "need straightforward rules that any small business can deal with" rather than the present situation of "complex regulations that take an army of lawyers to work through." Warren supports making it easier for workers to organize for better wages, for better health care, and for better working conditions.[2]Warren is in favor of increasing the minimum wage and has argued that if the minimum wage had followed increases in worker productivity in the United States, it would now be at least $22 an hour.[3][4]TradeWarren has criticized President Barack Obama's support of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, believing that it gives corporations too much power and will negatively affect workers, and that the content of the agreement should not be secret.[5][6][7]TaxesWarren supports the Buffett Rule, which would restore the Clinton tax rates on the top income bracket. She believes that the added revenues should be used to make college more affordable and help students pay off their student loans.[8][9]Energy and the environmentWarren supports investing in renewable energy rather than "hand[ing] out massive tax breaks to [nonrenewable] energy companies that are among the most profitable corporations in the world." She says that "as long as we subsidize dirty sources like oil, gas, and coal, we threaten the air we breathe and the water we drink." She also believes our reliance on oil and gas "...puts us at the mercy of OPEC. We are more likely to prop up foreign dictators or become entangled in wars that are about our energy needs rather than our long-term, strategic interests...Investing in clean energy technology is investing in our health, our environmental security, our national security, and our economic security."[10]Foreign policy and national securityAfghanistanWarren opposes continuing the war in Afghanistan and supports withdrawing U.S. troops "as quickly as possible, consistent with the safety of our troops and with a transition to Afghan control." She believes that, "Ultimately, it is the Afghans who must take responsibility for their own future."[11]IsraelWarren supports a secure and democratic state of Israel and wants to ensure the security of Israel from external forces such as Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, and others. Warren states she supports a two state solution, however believes Palestinian application for membership in the UN isn't helpful.[12]IranWarren has stated that Iran is a "significant threat" to the United States and its allies. She strongly supports sanctions against Iran.[13]Defense spendingWarren supports defense spending cuts. She has suggested reducing the size of the standing army to reduce deficit.[14]Structure of governmentCampaign reformWarren opposed the 2010 U.S. Supreme Court Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission ruling and supports the DISCLOSE Act which would limit the ruling.[15]Consumer Financial Protection BureauWarren was an early advocate for the creation of a new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB). The bureau was established by the Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act signed into law by President Obama in July 2010. In anticipation of the agency's formal opening, for the first year after the bill's signing, she worked on implementation of the bureau as a special assistant to the president. While liberal groups and consumer advocacy groups pushed for Obama to nominate Warren as the agency's permanent director, she was strongly opposed by financial institutions and by Republican members of Congress who believed Warren would be an overly zealous regulator.[16][17][18] Reportedly convinced that Warren could not win Senate confirmation as the bureau's first director,[19] Obama turned to former Ohio Attorney General Richard Cordray and in January 2012, over the objections of Republican Senators, appointed Cordray to the post in a "recess appointment".[20][21]TARP oversightOn November 14, 2008, Warren was appointed by United States Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to chair the five-member Congressional Oversight Panel created to oversee the implementation of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act.[22] The Panel released monthly oversight reports that evaluated the government bailout and related programs.[23] During Warren's tenure, these reports covered foreclosure mitigation, consumer and small business lending, commercial real estate, AIG, bank stress tests, the impact of the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) on the financial markets, government guarantees, the automotive industry, and other topics.[a]Glass-Steagall legislationSaying, "despite the progress we've made since 2008, the biggest banks continue to threaten our economy," in July 2015 Senator Warren, along with John McCain (R-AZ), Maria Cantwell (D-WA), and Angus King (I-ME) re-introduced the 21st Century Glass-Steagall Act, a modern version of the Banking Act of 1933. The legislation is intended to reduce the risk for the American taxpayer in the financial system and decrease the likelihood of a future financial crises.[24]Social issuesAbortionWarren supports abortion rights and opposes any Supreme Court nominees who "oppose legal abortion".[25]LGBT rightsWarren supports same-sex marriage and passing the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA).[26]DREAM ActWarren supports the passage of the DREAM Act and comprehensive immigration reform.[27]Gun lawsWarren supports reinstating an extended magazine long rifle weapons ban as well as more rigorous background screenings, including for people who purchase firearms at gun shows, and she opposes limits on the sharing of firearms trace information.[28] On April 17, 2013, she voted to expand background checks for gun purchases.[29]HealthcareWarren supports the Affordable Care Act and opposed repealing it.In the 2008 book, Health at Risk, in the chapter Get Sick, Go Broke, Warren and Deborah Thorne wrote that “We approach the health care debates from a single perspective: maintaining the financial stability of families confronting illness or injury. The most obvious solution would be universal single-payer health care.”[30] Warren has expressed support for medical marijuana.[31]EducationWarren has frequently expressed concern about the amount of debt college graduates face, and especially so when they are often unable to find employment after graduation. At her senate website she states:"As I travel all across the Commonwealth, I meet young people who have done everything right: they played by the rules, they worked hard, they finished college, and yet they're finding themselves unemployed, drowning in debt, and in many cases, moving back home with mom and dad. These young people did all we asked of them - and they're getting slammed."Warren has introduced legislation to reduce the interest rates on student loans. She sees the passage of legislation that would support students as a test of who legislators are working for: "...armies of lawyers and lobbyists to protect tax loopholes for billionaires and profits for the big banks...or those who work hard, play by the rules, and are trying to build a future for themselves and their families?"[10]NotesJump up ^ All reports and videos are available online at cop.senate.gov.ReferencesJump up ^ New Statesman "Who's left? The top 20 US progressives," January 11, 2012^ Jump up to: a b c "Jobs and the Economy". Elizabeth Warren U.S. Senate. Retrieved 28 July 2015.Jump up ^ Chumley, Cheryl K. (March 18, 2013). "Take it to the bank: Sen. Elizabeth Warren wants to raise minimum wage to $22 per hour". Washington Times. Retrieved January 22, 2014.Jump up ^ Wing, Nick (March 18, 2013). "Elizabeth Warren: Minimum Wage Would Be $22 An Hour If It Had Kept Up With Productivity". Huffington Post. Retrieved January 22, 2014.Jump up ^ http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/obama-elizabeth-warren-is-wrong-on-trade-117204.html?ml=riJump up ^ http://thehill.com/policy/finance/trade/239695-warren-lashes-back-at-obama-on-tradeJump up ^ http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/elizabeth-warren-target-trans-pacific-trade-deals-115561.htmlJump up ^ Rowley, Jim (6 May 2014). "Warren Seeks Pairing Student-Loan Relief, Buffett Rule". Retrieved 26 July 2015.Jump up ^ "Support the Buffett Rule". /elizabethwarren.com. 2012. Retrieved December 25, 2012.^ Jump up to: a b "Energy and the Environment". Elizabeth Warren for Senate. Retrieved 26 July 2015. Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "Elizabeth_Warren_for_Senate" defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).Jump up ^ "EVeterans, Military Families & National Security". elizabethwarren.com. 2012. Retrieved December 25, 2012.Jump up ^ "The U.S.-Israel Relationship and Middle East Peace". Elizabeth Warren for Senate. Retrieved July 21, 2014.Jump up ^ "National and Homeland Security". Elizabeth Warren for Senate. Retrieved July 21, 2014.Jump up ^ "Jobs & The Economy". http://elizabethwarren.com. 2012. Retrieved December 25, 2012. External link in |publisher= (help)Jump up ^ "Elizabeth Warren supports DISCLOSE Act to limit Supreme Court's Citizens United decision; Scott Brown calls it 'cynical political ploy'". masslive.com. July 13, 2012. Retrieved December 25, 2012.Jump up ^ Andrew, Suzanna (November 2011). "The Woman Who Knew Too Much". Vanity Fair. Retrieved September 22, 2012.Jump up ^ Wyatt, Edward (July 4, 2011). "An Agency Builder, but Not Yet Its Leader". The New York Times. Retrieved September 22, 2012.Jump up ^ Rosenthal, Andres (December 8, 2011). "Lousy Filibusters: Richard Cordray Edition". The New York Times.Jump up ^ Katharine K. Seelye, A New Senator, Known Nationally and Sometimes Feared The New York Times November 10, 2012Jump up ^ Cooper, Helene (2012-01-04). "Defying Republicans, Obama to Name Cordray as Consumer Agency Chief". The New York Times. Retrieved 2012-06-09.Jump up ^ Goodnough, Abby. "Times Topics: Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection". The New York Times.Jump up ^ Host: Terry Gross (December 11, 2008). "What Does $700 Billion Buy Taxpayers?". Fresh Air from WHYY. National Public Radio. Retrieved December 12, 2008.Jump up ^ Kantor, Jodi (March 25, 2010). "Behind Consumer Agency Idea, a Tireless Advocate". The New York Times.Jump up ^ "Senators Warren, McCain, Cantwell and King Introduce 21st Century Glass- Steagall Act". Elizabeth Warren U.S. Senator for Massachusetts. 7 July 2015. Retrieved 27 July 2015.Jump up ^ "2012 Massachusetts Senate Debate". ontheissues.org. 2012. Retrieved December 25, 2012.Jump up ^ "EXCLUSIVE: Elizabeth Warren pledges to lead on LGBT rights". washingtonblade.com. March 21, 2012. Retrieved December 25, 2012.Jump up ^ "Immigration". http://elizabethwarren.com. 2012. Retrieved December 25, 2012. External link in |publisher= (help)Jump up ^ "Senate rivals divided on guns". boston.com. July 27, 2012. Retrieved December 25, 2012.Jump up ^ "U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 113th Congress – 1st Session". Legislation & Records. United States Senate. Retrieved 2013-07-30.Jump up ^ "Factcheck: Does Elizabeth Warren support single-payerhealthcare?". masslive.com. June 29, 2012. Retrieved December 29, 2012.Jump up ^ "Elizabeth Warren Expresses Support For Medical Marijuana Legalization". http://thinkprogress.org. Sep 24, 2012. Retrieved December 25, 2012. External link in |publisher= (help)Categories: Political positions of United States SenatorsNavigation menuNot logged inTalkContributionsCreate accountLog inArticleTalkReadEditView history
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― based stress reduction (crüt), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 01:32 (seven years ago) link
focus, crut, focus
http://www.mintpressnews.com/elizabeth-warren-hillary-clinton-sold-out-to-wall-street/213538/
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 01:47 (seven years ago) link
oh yeah, elizabeth warren, the one-note politician that's never championed any other causes
― mh, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 02:00 (seven years ago) link
member of the noted "campaign finance reform good, wall street bad" party and def not the democrats
I was so proud of this thread right around lickenpooper but some of you guys have really flushed it down the pipes
― The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 02:30 (seven years ago) link
there it is, my greatest post ever
veepenpooper
― Scott Baiowulf (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:50 (seven years ago) link
If she could get the incredulous smile just right, I'd announce today that I was considering Mike Pence.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:57 (seven years ago) link
given these options, i prefer
hummus
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:34 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/cher/status/756519869965701121
― schlump, Friday, 22 July 2016 16:18 (seven years ago) link
Time Kaine
― based stress reduction (crüt), Friday, 22 July 2016 16:18 (seven years ago) link
apparently she'll announce the pick at my place of employment tomorrow
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 July 2016 16:18 (seven years ago) link
If I Could Turn Back Tim
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Friday, 22 July 2016 16:20 (seven years ago) link
can't believe Cher is going to be at Alfred's office
― mh, Friday, 22 July 2016 17:28 (seven years ago) link
A+
― esempiu (crüt), Friday, 22 July 2016 17:29 (seven years ago) link