Curb Your Authoritarianism? The 2016 Conventional Wisdom Thread (Elections, Part 6)

just need to get the next round of candidates in a room and tell them "dont actually say the things"

good luck with that

i mean all the mini anti trump gatherings can't even keep the batshit out of their own supposedly protest platforms

Perhaps one might imagine the national electorate as a shallow dish of milk. Tilt one way, and voters spill off that side. Tilt the other way, and voters spill off the other side. Every move that wins you a vote on the right loses you one on the left.

I don't think the Trumpers are going to buy Trump-lite next time. The same message in a more-acceptable vessel is not the same message.

They may double down by plumping for some populist AMERICA FUCK YEAH candidate - Cotton, Gowdy, Sessions, Arpaio, Wurzelbacher, Duck Dynasty dood - who lacks the full Trump (ahem) package. They may find that a Tim Scott or Jan Brewer or Sarah Palin gets them some of the same thrills. But these candidates are not national general-election winners now, and they will be even less viable then.

What they will NOT do imo is unite behind some more or less responsible, experienced, electable grownup, no matter how much he or she parrots the Trumpian line. Having tasted the near-fulfillment of their darkest id, they will not be satisfied by imitations.

I'm also going to go out on a limb and say Clinton might feel like her election was vindication enough, and decline to run again. It would be an interesting fuck-you move to her haters, to deny them the opportunity to come after her with the pitchforks one last time. If she could pass the baton onward to someone with less baggage, so much the better.

trump nation is demographically screwed

the only shot for the republicans is to do what romney and the bushes want to do: rebrand as pro-life, slightly more hawkish democrats. i'd put money on them nominating someone relatively normal like ben sasse or nikki haley in 2020. they'll have more "party discipline" and prevent a situation where the field is overly divided.

"also going to go out on a limb and say Clinton might feel like her election was vindication enough, and decline to run again. "

lol what

Treeship
Posted: July 19, 2016 at 6:17:17 PM
trump nation is demographically screwed

yup tho particular contingencies can always tip an election, and they cant rebrand as less racist cause its their constituencys primary issue

demographically screwed - That's true too, Treeship.

So even if Ivanka, Eric, Don Jr. and Tiffany run successive Trumpesque campaigns, the Angry Old White Guy vote is finished as a national force. It is still strong in exurban/rural congressional districts. I expect the House or Representatives to remain pretty red for a while (ditto red-state statehouses) but its relevance will continue to diminish.

What are the chances that Paul Ryan's speech will be loudly booed tonight?

I hope Lord Humungus shows up

you guys should watch this farrago on C-SPAN, it's great.

it's still a big enough and passionate enough plurality it'll continue to cause havoc into the next prez election imo

if i were to play sage i'd say clinton wins a plurality reelection with numbers not unlike bill's regardless of possible recession or other circumstances just due to plenty of track still available to the crazy train

xp to ye mad puffin

omg Dana White speaking

UFC dude btw

Florida will be underwater by then so I'll be living in a submarine in 2020 anyway

Bloodsport!

You all are brave for watching this. I really can't subject myself to that level of torture. ILX's reactions are good enough for me.

another angry ranty guy will def help win over undecided voters esp women

Maybe if they yell loud enough?

the Angry Old White Guy vote is finished as a national force.

Brought this up before, but Angry White Guy seems to be doing pretty a-ok on every front except the White House and (by extension) the Supreme Court. Where and when is this long forecast demographic landslide in the opposite direction?

from what I got from Dana White was that the UFC was classified as a bloodsport until Trump came along

Writer John Scalzi dubbed this Josh Marshall thought "Trump's Razor:"

Early on I realized that when it came to Trump if I figured out the stupidest possible scenario that could be reconciled with the available facts and went with it, that almost always turned out to be right. The stupider, the righter.

You all are brave for watching this. I really can't subject myself to that level of torture. ILX's reactions are good enough for me.

― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:33 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya i intrpret it strictly from online

Arkansas representing.

Time to update your resumes!

wow chyrons on cnn right now as mukasey speaks -->

mukasey joined with other gop national security officials saying they could not support trump

mukasey has called trump's criticism of a latino judge 'baseless and squalid'

he wants to be attorney general don't blame him

Trump speaking from Trump Tower

now Mitch is up

Man, Trump's continued lack of specifics is so troubling. When he blurts about "restoring law and order" it really does sound like some despot. Does Trump even know that others got to fascism first?

Wow, Mitch is terrible at the podium.

Democrats spreading Zika

this is moving along!

Nixon wasn't specific either!

smh john scalzi

so is ryan going to mention trump at all, i wonder

We've been waiting on the phone until we talk to real person! (re: Obama)

xpost You're my guy, happy to credit you over Scalzi!

Aw, shucks, it's Paul Ryan.

Paul Ryan, you fucking pussy shill asshole.

Gosh, by golly, this guy.

paul ryan wants to destroy the social safety net and his budget is not serious

everyone does not need health care, right paul ryan
who needs social security

Is Paul Ryan trying to have his Obama '04 moment

Gonna have to pour another Tanqueray Rangpur to sit through Christie

Christie putting Rodham on trial right now.

this is so awful

feels like yet another line i'd have thought should not be crossed re encouraging your party to yell 'lock her up' b/c it's not just about winning the election, you really think your political opponents should be put in jail

Guilty says the crowd!

See?