Curb Your Authoritarianism? The 2016 Conventional Wisdom Thread (Elections, Part 6)

means we might never see president shaq but you can't make an omelette etc

president rick barry

just to clarify the thing we said was not true

CBC News Alerts @CBCAlerts
Clarification: NBC not linking Clinton Florida's visit to the possible selection of Chris Crist as VP. Earlier CBC tweet implied otherwise.

canadian ratfuckers

pardon, im going to fuck this rat eh

'chris crist'

pardon, im going to fuck this rat eh

― lag∞n, Wednesday, July 20, 2016

from Crist I believe any story

https://twitter.com/jondanziger/status/755846628221739008

might be a parody account.

Donald Trump's son tried to entice John Kasich with a position as the most powerful vice president in history, but he turned it down, multiple sources close to the Ohio governor told CNN Wednesday.

Kasich would have been in charge of all domestic and foreign policy in a Trump White House, Kasich sources said.

But it also is the clearest sign yet that the animosity between both the Kasich and Trump campaigns will likely continue, unhindered as Donald Trump delivers his biggest speech yet Thursday.

Trump denied ever personally asking Kasich to be his running mate in a tweet.

"John Kasich was never asked by me to be V.P. Just arrived in Cleveland - will be a great two days!" Trump tweeted.

A Trump aide also dismissed the news, which was first reported by The New York Times Wednesday.

"Completely false. His vetting read like a trashy novel," the aide said, when asked by CNN about the reports.

The Trump campaign compiled a dossier on Kasich, but never actually vetted him.

A source close to Kasich responded by saying, "Their comments are demonstrably false given the effort they put forward -- and offer they made -- to get Kasich to join the ticket. They must be confusing it with the file on Manafort, which must read like a Russian novella."

lol did manafort lash out at him cause he turned him down

ah lmao http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-wolff-roger-ailes-stunning-912772

(the rumor of Ailes replacing Paul Manafort as campaign manager is an active one, with a further rumor putting Trump in favor of this and his children against it)

Mrs. Clinton’s chance of losing is about the same probability that an N.B.A. player will miss a free throw.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, July 20, 2016 2:52 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

um...like who the player is makes quite a big fucking difference in this analogy

Durant/Curry 2020?

id put her chances at more like missing 2 fts in a row

What's the probability that Trump will keel over?

hope it's not DeAndrea Jordan/Dwight Howards 2020

http://www.politifact.com/global-news/article/2016/may/02/paul-manafort-donald-trumps-top-adviser-and-his-ti/

re manafort and russia, he seems to have done some political consulting with a pro-putin politician in ukraine

The relationship lasted for years leading up to Yanukovych’s 2010 presidential campaign. Manafort made Yanukovych look more respectable, working with stylists and consultants to redesign his image.

The political consultant had another important mission -- to move Yanukovych closer to Washington. Yanukovych’s team wanted a photo of President Barack Obama with Yanukovych to show that Ukraine’s president was respected in the West.
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"It was a weird thing for the people in Ukraine, because they could not imagine how an American strategist agreed to cooperate with Putin’s friend. It was confusing. But Manafort played a decisive role in the victory of Yanukovych," Ukrainian political expert Oleg Kravchenko told us.

that's what the kasich aide's jab about manafort and "russian novellas" was about

also manafort has been accused of lobbying for russian interests in the GOP platform

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Donald Trump Jr. on the final Gingrich/Christie/Pence VP choice. "We don't need two Donald Trumps out there competing to be Donald Trump."

um we do actually

the polls are definitely scary right now but I think you have to consider that everything has been breaking Trump's way lately, with the email scandal (with Comey giving them all the soundbites they could possibly need), constant terrorism attacks and police shootings, plus he's in the middle of the RNC. if not for Trump's incompetence and lack of an actual campaign you would think he'd have a big lead right now. but to believe that a man running one of the laziest, most underfunded presidential campaigns in history, a man who is openly racist and cannot even win over his own delegates, will somehow unify the party and get voters to cross lines, I dunno I just don't see it right now

like, this was supposed to be his big pivot towards respectability and here we are two days through the RNC and the big story is about plagiarism, which has been made ten times worse thanks to the campaign's inability to deliver a consistent message on anything, the fact that they were outright denying it and saying "you'd have to be crazy to do this!", and then a day later admitting they did just that makes this whole campaign look like a bunch of bozos

ha remember when ppl thought trump cld pivot

I sort of don't understand why the big story is about plagiarism.

I know I mean did you see that dress??

god I mean just read that apology letter about the speech - "one person Melania has always admired is Michelle Obama"...ok that's great, I mean who doesn't admire her? But your husband's whole campaign at this point is literally just OBAMA BAD!!!! HILLARY BAD!!! EVERYTHING THEY DO IS WRONG!! so like, why admit that in public? especially now that they've had 36 hours to think about this???

I mean maybe it's good because I don't really want any of the more garbage messages getting extra airtime? But I don't understand why people care so much about her lifting some completely empty lines from Michelle Obama's speech other than (1) it has an irony to it that makes for nice clickbait and (2) people get some kind of "dumb bimbo" laughs out of it which is not really a good look.

@Taniel
Latino Voice poll of 8,000+ Latinos: Clinton 81%, Trump 12% http://latinousa.org/2016/07/20/clinton69-point-lead-trump

Bush got 40%, McCain 31%, Romney 27% (Pew estimates)

nice

(2) people get some kind of "dumb bimbo" laughs out of it which is not really a good look.

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, July 20, 2016 5:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You've seen this?

I think people are laughing more at the Trump campaign than they are at his wife. No one expected her to write her own speech.

No one expects ANYONE to write their own speeches period actually.

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/trump-hires-apprentice-retread-omarosa-after-polling-bottoms-out-at-zero-with-black-ohio-voters/

xp. Obv to win Trump's gotta get some votes from people of color, and it ain't happenin.

It's the big story because it's hilarious, but also because it's such an obvious, avoidable screwup

I mean if you talk about the hate speech or the nearly literal witch hunt you get accused of being partisan and (I assume) the media wants to make this out like a horse race for as long as possible

ya it speaks to an ongoing theme of incompetence where competence is one of the very most key things voters are looking for in candidates

when political gaffes really stick its generally because they align with something ppl are already seeing in the candidate

another fun development - the supposed speechwriter wasn't even on the payroll, according to the FEC

an example of you get what you pay for?

Yeah I asked that question earlier isn't it against rules

(2) people get some kind of "dumb bimbo" laughs out of it which is not really a good look.

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, July 20, 2016 5:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You've seen this?

― Evan, Wednesday, July 20, 2016 4:12 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's been implied in a lot of the stuff going around social media about Melania for a while now, and it's definitely under the surface here imo.

the... implication

Yeah I asked that question earlier isn't it against rules

― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, July 20, 2016 5:30 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tis

I actually wish one or two of the speakers at the Democratic convention would have some fun with the plagiarism thing--keep it light, nothing too obvious--but they'd risk people piling on for some of the reasons outlined above, so no one will.

Plus, Biden.

"She just wanted to be a trophy wife and now she's been roped into this evil circus."

We need to see more of this kind of compassion in the world.

remember when ppl thought trump cld pivot

Woody Harrelson IS Donald Trump in... Orange Men Can't Pivot

all she wanted to do was feel what it was like to say the words michelle said its not so bad

Being Trump's Trophy Wife includes all-season admission to the Evil Circus (and free Popcorn!)

Donald Trump Jr. on the final Gingrich/Christie/Pence VP choice. "We don't need two Donald Trumps out there competing to be Donald Trump."

― brimstead, Wednesday, July 20, 2016 4:39 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

love that this comes from the literal second Donald Trump