Curb Your Authoritarianism? The 2016 Conventional Wisdom Thread (Elections, Part 6)

I mean, obviously cruz is a disgusting villain, but at least he knows how to give a speech. From a pure delivery standpoint, that garbage was many times better than anything else I've seen over the last few days

Eric Trump like this guy from the Sound of Music: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e1/5c/40/e15c40a95c9c08801d707ce6994a2cb0.jpg

Matthew Cooper
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@mattizcoop

If you let a cribbed speech make it to the podium why would you be any better at vetting someone who won't endorse.

intheblanks
Posted: July 20, 2016 at 8:04:31 PM
man, it sure seems that if cruz hadn't pissed off every key GOP official on a personal level, he would totally be the GOP nominee

ya p good chance imo

he even mentioned Alton Sterling!

"CNN’s Manu Raju is reporting that Heidi Cruz was escorted out by security because the crowd was so rowdy and angered by Cruz’s speech. One Trump supporter shouted “Goldman Sachs!” at her, according to him."

I've been hearing for days he wouldn't endorse--I don't know, I don't think that was a surprise. I thought the deal to let him speak--no endorsement, but stay clear of Never-Trump maneuvering--was struck weeks ago.

And they seemed to try to keep him away from the 10:00 hour...and I'm not sure if they succeeded--did that awkward finish happen before or after 10:00?

teds got more vision and game than rubio et al jokers, its a good thing hes singularly repulsive

ted said he wldnt endorse but he just subliminaled the hell out of trump that speech cldve been light n airy and it decidedly was not he came abt as close as possible to saying not to vote trump as u can w o uttering his name xp

Has Trump ever specified the exact point in time that America was great?

I think it's a real person, Time confirmed someone with that name attended the university of Utah and the school of American ballet, which is what was in that speaker bio that got cited initially. I think it's just someone basically without an online footprint.

well if it is, then they violated a FEC regulation. who needs to follow rules though

@EWErickson
SOURCE: The Trump camp knew this morning Cruz would not endorse and told Cruz's camp they'd orchestrate booing if he refused.

oh shit . . . not booing

cnn chyron writer at it again as this guy tries to argue that trump is running on behalf of the middle class

"eric trump and his siblings run the trump hotel collection" "eric trump renovated the trump turnberry golf course in scotland" "eric trump is the owner of trump winery in virginia"

What a bunch of fucking assholes. He's not Joe the Plumber, he's fucking Donald Trump and he hates you.

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so the trump campaign is so incompetent they feel it's more important for them to put cruz on and orchestrate boos/walk out at the end of his speech to try and make him look bad, rather than.. negotiate some kind of resolution that wouldn't make this the big story tomorrow because everyone looked ridiculous??

This is chilling stuff, like watching a scary dystopian movie.

We about to get some full frontal Newtidy?

Obviously I'm not a trump voter, but to me it seems super-desperate to have all your kids, night after night, endorse you at the convention. Like, doesn't it seem transparently pathetic? Especially since it's not like they have distinguished records of their own, they're all just rich kids who work for their dad.

so the trump campaign is so incompetent they feel it's more important for them to put cruz on and orchestrate boos/walk out at the end of his speech to try and make him look bad, rather than.. negotiate some kind of resolution that wouldn't make this the big story tomorrow because everyone looked ridiculous??

― arts and crafts THIS GUY (daria-g),

good point

Would it be illegal to pay Ted Cruz a million dollars to endorse Trump

enjoying these guys https://twitter.com/NRO/lists/nr-convention-tweets

From a rhetorical point of view, Gingrich has been the best tonight. And my boo at NRO agrees:

Jay Nordlinger ‏@jaynordlinger 2m2 minutes ago Manhattan, NY

One thing about Newt: He speaks in normal cadences. Not in stagey, slo-mo applause lines. This is a first-rate performer. (And ex-prof.)

Probably one of many reason he couldn't be picked as VP. Pence is going to be so boring.

Disappointing. Where's the vitriol? Where's the incendiary rabble-rousing? Where's Newt? I think he spent himself in 2012

more like bae nordlinger

i love the CNN sidebar doubling as a cruz-o-meter:

8 min
Gingrich ad libs, goes after Cruz

17 min
Ark. delegate on Cruz: "He's finished"

21 min
Delegate: Cruz's "conscience dog whistle" is "disappointing"

27 min
Heidi Cruz heckled, gets escorted out

29 min
Arena screens flickering during Eric Trump speech

35 min
Trump enters hall near end of Cruz speech

35 min
Cruz doesn't endorse Trump. Huge boos

36 min
Delegates chant, "say his name" as Cruz speaks

40 min
Cruz: "Vote your conscience." Gets booed

44 min
Cruz backs plan to build border wall

48 min
Cruz: "Gay or straight, Bill of Rights protects ... all of us"

53 min
Watch: Cruz congratulates Trump

59 min
Huge applause for Ted Cruz

I honestly don't understand why the audience is so livid with Cruz. Unless they assumed the widely-discussed non-endorsement was just a ruse and he'd dramatically endorse tonight. This wasn't a surprise!

I think they just don't like him and got impatient.

Golly gee, it's Paul Ryan again.

Paul Ryan is like the host of some Christian reality show.

man there still aren't that many people in this arena, are there?

It's late! They're tired!

Jay Nordlinger
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@jaynordlinger

I wonder if Mike Pence will take the opportunity to defend religious liberty. #BetterLateThanNever

I thought Ryan still hasn't technically endorsed either--that he parsed it with some kind of vote-for-Trump/not-officially-endorsing statement.

oh cool Reagan

Strange pivot from Reagan to "my wonderful wife Karen Pence."

xp @clemenza yeah, but it wasn't just a matter of cruz not endorsing, he did everything he could to emphasize he wasn't endorsing short of explicitly saying it. There was a very pretty obvious element of "fuck you" in his speech, i.e. having this big pause at the point where he could have endorsed, and then just pushing forward while mocking the NY delegation.

9 min
Official yelled at Cruz, had to be restrained

10 min
Convention-goer calls Cruz a disgrace to his face

I was just listening, not watching--I think I missed some of the nuances. Good for Cruz then, I was totally in favor of sabotage tonight.

Has Pence officially endorsed? It'd be nice if splits hairs like Ryan has.

yeah, I feel like if I hadn't watched it I may not have fully realized what cruz was doing

katy tur from nbc on twitter: "Trump campaign expected Cruz to talk for 10 minutes. Cruz' prepared remarks went 9 minutes. He spoke for 23 minutes."

Lol http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/438145/ted-cruz-booed-stage-cleveland

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/21/us/politics/donald-trump-issues.html

He even called into question whether, as president, he would automatically extend the security guarantees that give the 28 members of NATO the assurance that the full force of the United States military has their back.

For example, asked about Russia’s threatening activities that have unnerved the small Baltic States that are the most recent entrants into NATO, Mr. Trump said that if Russia attacked them, he would decide whether to come to their aid only after reviewing whether those nations “have fulfilled their obligations to us.”

The basic question (Harry Enten): "Can someone explain to me why the Trump people allowed Cruz to talk tonight? They knew Cruz wasn’t going to endorse Trump. They — and we — had Cruz’s prepared remarks. Did Trump’s people think that Cruz was going to have a change of heart? I’m not sure why the Trump campaign would bank on that. There are Cruz’s ideological disagreements with Trump, but it’s also worth remembering that Trump intimated that Cruz’s father was involved in the John F. Kennedy assassination and attacked Cruz’s wife.

So, why give Cruz a prime-time speaking slot?"

^^^

the obvious answer is "everyone in Trump's operation is clownshoes nonsense"

yeah they pretty clearly just don't know what they're doing

The lock her up shit from the crowd is disturbing

Whenever Jay Roach gets to filming his requisite 2016 election movie, Will Ferrell should be a lock to play Mike Pence.