Curb Your Authoritarianism? The 2016 Conventional Wisdom Thread (Elections, Part 6)

It's not really a trait we look for in our politicians, particularly the ones we disagree with

wonder if trump had just suck to calling him lyin ted while leaving his family out of it he gotten him on board

cruz really got under his skin lol

I'm watching the cruz speech now and i haven't gotten to the "vote your conscience" yet but this doesn't seem particularly anti-trump yet, he even says "yes, build a wall" at one point

Ted Cruz is a dominionist death-cultist like the rest but I really can't help but respect having a shred of self-respect, I should find someone else to have positive feelings about today to avoid further cognitive dissonance

report back when ur done (i only watched the end) xp

if Cruz manages to make Trump spend tonight relitigating the primaries for the thousandth time it'll look like a masterstroke of psychological warfare

I'm excited for the prospect of Trump going way off script regardless of what lunatic direction he take it

i want to see trump stumbling attempting to read a halfway sane speech off the teleprompter then cut loose and go rouge on cruz for 45 mins

I'm crossing my fingers for an audience demanding that Lyin' Ted be jailed in the same cell as Crooked Hillary

suspect well see some other pointed never trump moments before this is over, tho obvs its hard to compete with the drama of assassinating a guy at his own coronation

― lag∞n

would recommend retiring that metaphor as it is too confusing

i mean there's definitely a sense of him trying to make the case that he was a better choice than trump, but he spent the first 18 minutes bashing hillary and obama and then tells people not to stay home, and to vote their conscience, to vote for people who will stay faithful to the constitution -- unless you think he's suggesting they write his name in or vote johnson, that sort of only leaves trump

hes telling them to not vote for trump

naw

yup

i don't think this does much for cruz in the future. whatever they might say, republicans don't like someone who takes a brave stand against the tide, they are the tide. this shows cruz's worst qualities: whiner, messiah complex, loudmouth, disloyal.

he's an unctuous debate team goober, and all this shit about taking a stand because his wife and father were insulted sounds like some shit you'd tell the vice principal after you got caught spray painting the bully's car

i watched the whole cruz speech; it's abundantly vile. he more or less cops to every racist and classist impulse that trump proclaims but he says it in more flowery language. the reason he's bucking the party unity has nothing to do with his sense of ethics or what's right; it's because he's a vicious wax hobgoblin with a martyr complex.

he sets up those last few minutes by saying why republicans are good and democrats are bad, and then tells everyone to go out and vote. obv he's tacitly endorsing the republican nominee

xxxxpost he said "up and down the ballot" which reads as "make sure you vote for GOP candidates, but maybe just skip a Presidential vote"

^^^^^

i mean there's definitely a sense of him trying to make the case that he was a better choice than trump, but he spent the first 18 minutes bashing hillary and obama and then tells people not to stay home, and to vote their conscience, to vote for people who will stay faithful to the constitution -- unless you think he's suggesting they write his name in or vote johnson, that sort of only leaves trump

― k3vin k

well he'll definitely stay faithful to article xii

"vote your conscience" is a phrase that is often used by the #NeverTrump camp

kev there is no way he's endorsing the republican nominee w/ that speech, if that weren't obvious within the speech itself it's obvious w/ the aftermath

xxxxpost he said "up and down the ballot" which reads as "make sure you vote for GOP candidates, but maybe just skip a Presidential vote"

― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:28 AM (1 minute ago

wouldn't that just be "down the ballot"

'vote your conscience in november' while refusing to say trump's name is a huge fuck you

The first 18 mins?

How long was Cruz' speech?

On the news this morn, the only bit they showed was him saying "I took part in something beautiful' which seemed somewhat nutty but irrelevant.

this look like a guy who just endorsed trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nj4UD-oAz0

another day of trump not having control of his event though. which has been every day of this thing?

at least credit cruz with a higher level of literacy; trump and his people ostensibly read this thing and couldn't tell what was in front of them.

wouldn't that just be "down the ballot"

― k3vin k., Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:30 AM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol dude cmon

There's no such thing as a "tacit endorsement", see also Paul Ryan

at least not for Donald Trump there isn't

k3vin the lone viewer persuaded by cruz to vote for trump

xp to mark g: cruz went on for about a half hour

at least credit cruz with a higher level of literacy; trump and his people ostensibly read this thing and couldn't tell what was in front of them.

― goole, Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:30 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they did know what it meant tho! and organized ppl to boo it! which they thought wld be good lol

unbearable to watch little marco come around in that video

i mean clearly he doesn't "endorse" trump, i don't think anyone expected him to, but it wasn't as forceful a non-endorsement as it's being made out to be. and unless the "vote your conscience" line has a LOT of layers of meaning that i'm not grasping, he's not really telling people not to vote for trump. kind of feel like people are being messy b-words that love the drama tbh

i'd have to dig into that 'organized booing' story, don't really buy it

literally everyone including clearly cruz in in agreement on this one

xp

rubio looked like refried shit and sounded like his parents were being held at gunpoint in the next room
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5loZufoLZLs

i'd have to dig into that 'organized booing' story, don't really buy it

― goole, Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:34 AM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its being p widely reported including that manafort tried to bully cruz into endorsing at the last minute w the threat of booing

Ted Cruz probably doesn't particularly care who people vote for, other than himself.

Kev stop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8a2gt4VU8
^ 18:19, Cruz refers to "All-Tahn Sterling", audience has no idea who he's talking about, video wall behind him temporarily crashes

unless the "vote your conscience" line has a LOT of layers of meaning that i'm not grasping

This line has a lot of layers of meaning that you're not grasping.

when did rubio's left eye swell to twice the size of his right?

its being p widely reported including that manafort tried to bully cruz into endorsing at the last minute w the threat of booing

― lag∞n, Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:37 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Asked how he would solve that problem, Mr. Manafort paused, then said: “Booings.”

lol

when did rubio's left eye swell to twice the size of his right?

Marco the Cat

its being p widely reported including that manafort tried to bully cruz into endorsing at the last minute w the threat of booing

this whole thing is so, so strange. they knew what was going to happen, they (should have) known it would overshadow else everything at the convention, and yet they went through with it anyway?

and yeah "at face value" it sounds like he's basically saying, "yeah, vote Trump because Republicans have better principles" but there's a lot of subtext here. it still felt like a pretty big "fuck you" to me and Trump's tweet this morning pretty much confirms that's the way he's taking it