Curb Your Authoritarianism? The 2016 Conventional Wisdom Thread (Elections, Part 6)

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No mention of Cruz at all. (Did a word search, don't want to read it in advance.) That I find hard to believe--surely he'll work in something.

clemenza, Thursday, 21 July 2016 23:01 (seven years ago) link

v clear continuity with his "BRING BACK OUR POLICE" ad all those years ago

goole, Thursday, 21 July 2016 23:02 (seven years ago) link

would be interested in seeing a version that highlights all the egregious mendacity in yellow

j., Thursday, 21 July 2016 23:07 (seven years ago) link

terrifying speech. like a dispatch from hell.

Mordy, Thursday, 21 July 2016 23:11 (seven years ago) link

I read a little and got too annoyed and nauseated to continue before long.

ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 21 July 2016 23:11 (seven years ago) link

One last Cruz thing before tonight. I've spent the last 18 hours trying to remember a movie line that almost sums up Trump's trap for Cruz last night. (I've pretty much completely moved in the direction of the idea that the whole chain of events was a set-up.) It's Hal Holbrook in All the President's Men, disgusted with Woodward after they gum up that one key moment in the investigation:

"You’ve done worse than let Haldeman slip away: you've got people feeling sorry for him. I didn’t think that was possible."

clemenza, Thursday, 21 July 2016 23:12 (seven years ago) link

He'll tell the crowd that Americans "will come first once again" under his presidency, touching on crime, terrorism, trade, and the economy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/japanpeterpan/orgy.jpg

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 21 July 2016 23:13 (seven years ago) link

On January 21st of 2017, the day after I take the oath of office, Americans will finally wake up in a country where the laws of the United States are enforced. We are going to be considerate and compassionate to everyone.

Study the juxtaposition of those two sentences. "Finally." Laws "enforced." The causal link between enforcing the law and compassion

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 July 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link

xp the author's tone there is p unbearable, she sounds just as bad + intellectually dishonest as anyone she's describing

yolo mostly (sleepingbag), Thursday, 21 July 2016 23:45 (seven years ago) link

brit zing crew target in 2007 iirc

imago, Thursday, 21 July 2016 23:49 (seven years ago) link

Anyone who endorses violence, hatred or oppression is not welcome in our country and never will be.

Oh, cool, if his first act of office is deporting himself, I guess that's one problem solved.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 July 2016 23:52 (seven years ago) link

They keep wanting to tell Clinton "You're fired!" "You're not hired!" just doesn't work as well.

clemenza, Thursday, 21 July 2016 23:58 (seven years ago) link

holy shit turn on right now if u ain't watching https://www.twitch.tv/gopconvention

yolo mostly (sleepingbag), Friday, 22 July 2016 00:05 (seven years ago) link

whoa

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 22 July 2016 00:07 (seven years ago) link

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/rnc-2016-donald-trump-speech-leak-hillary-clinton-pac-225981

CLEVELAND — A super PAC backing Hillary Clinton on Thursday night mysteriously obtained and leaked drafts of Donald Trump’s nomination speech — and those of several other convention speakers — hours before the night’s proceedings were set to kick off, sending the Trump campaign scrambling on the final night of what has been a chaotic convention.

The super PAC, Correct the Record, obtained a document containing the drafts from “a Republican source who had access to it and they sent it to us,” said Correct the Record founder David Brock, a close Clinton ally.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 22 July 2016 00:30 (seven years ago) link

more lawlessness

j., Friday, 22 July 2016 00:31 (seven years ago) link

Paul Manafort, Donald Trump's campaign chair, suggested on Thursday night that after the FBI did not recommend charges against Hillary Clinton for mishandling classified information, the agency's crime statistics cannot be trusted.

CNN's Jake Tapper noted in an interview with Manafort that much of the Republican convention has focused on violent crime but that "according to FBI statistics, crime rates have been going down for decades."

"How can the Republicans make the argument that somehow it's more dangerous today when the facts don't back that up?" he asked.

"People don't feel safe in their neighborhoods," Manafort replied. "I'm not sure what statistics that you're talking about."

Tapper repeated that he was citing FBI statistics.

I look forward to President Trump's purge of the FBI once he's elected.

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 22 July 2016 00:52 (seven years ago) link

the convention speech frames (will frame) violent crime as something that's risen so sharply so recently i bet a lot of listeners feel like it "hasn't shown up in the statistics yet"

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Friday, 22 July 2016 00:56 (seven years ago) link

Decades of progress made in bringing down crime are now being reversed by this Administration’s rollback of criminal enforcement...

The number of police officers killed in the line of duty has risen by almost 50% compared to this point last year.

so yeah things were getting better, but then black

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Friday, 22 July 2016 00:59 (seven years ago) link

Is HRC's VP press conference scheduled yet

Sean, let me be clear (silby), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:00 (seven years ago) link

this is one of those times where 'statistics' is an unfortunate term since it means something like 'counting the things that happened'

j., Friday, 22 July 2016 01:02 (seven years ago) link

That Mark Burns speech fucking ruled

frogbs, Friday, 22 July 2016 01:03 (seven years ago) link

The number of police officers killed in the line of duty has risen by almost 50% compared to this point last year.

this isn't true though. they're up 8% from 62 to 67.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:03 (seven years ago) link

shh they'll hear you!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:04 (seven years ago) link

"though"

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:09 (seven years ago) link

Vintage Sullivan panic on his live-blog:

If you wonder what it was like in the 1930s for ordinary people to flock to demagogues, tune in tonight. America has thrown up an extremely talented one. I fear that Hillary Clinton has no idea what is about to hit her.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/andrew-sullivan-liveblogs-the-rnc-night-4.html

clemenza, Friday, 22 July 2016 01:10 (seven years ago) link

Fuck, if that's the transcript he should pack in the Queen song and walk out tonight to Pink Floyd's "In the Flesh."

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:11 (seven years ago) link

he was fun to read the last two nights cuz he kept garbage like this at a minimum:

It seems to me that the right bears the hefty majority of responsibility, moving from principled opposition to outright nullification of a presidency, trashing every important neutral institution, and now bad-mouthing the country they hope to “govern.” But the left’s abandonment of empiricism and liberalism – its rapid descent into neo-Marxist dogma, its portrayal of American history as a long unending story of white supremacy, its coarse impugning of political compromise and incrementalism, its facile equation of disagreement with bigotry – has also played a part. Liberal democracy needs liberal norms and manners to survive. Which is why it is now on life-support.

In between, moderate Christianity, once a unifying cultural fabric creating a fragile civil discourse, has evaporated into disparate spirituality on one side and fundamentalist dogma on the other, leaving us with little in the center to hold us morally together

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:12 (seven years ago) link

moderate Christianity, a unifying cultural fabric, available at a Target near you.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:13 (seven years ago) link

i remember when sullivan watched the first debate in 2012 and declared that obama had lost the election

arts and crafts THIS GUY (daria-g), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:16 (seven years ago) link

I never wanted so much to approach a homo, slap him and say, "Bitch, man the fuck up and take a shot."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:17 (seven years ago) link

I abandoned empiricism the day I realized I was a little hazy on what that actually meant.

clemenza, Friday, 22 July 2016 01:17 (seven years ago) link

I look out at this wasteland and see, in part, what Ross Douthat sees

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:18 (seven years ago) link

If they ever publish a book (or a microchip, or whatever) called This Was the Internet 100 years from now, The Debate-Freakout blog needs to be in there.

clemenza, Friday, 22 July 2016 01:19 (seven years ago) link

peter thiel :]

based stress reduction (crüt), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:21 (seven years ago) link

10.31 pm. Look: you know how much I love the guy, and you know how much of a high information viewer I am, and I can see the logic of some of Obama's meandering, weak, professorial arguments. But this was a disaster for the president for the key people he needs to reach, and his effete, wonkish lectures may have jolted a lot of independents into giving Romney a second look.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:22 (seven years ago) link

Thiel, understandably, seems nervous about how the crowd will react to the excerpt I read earlier.

clemenza, Friday, 22 July 2016 01:23 (seven years ago) link

you know how much of a high information viewer I am

board descrip

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:23 (seven years ago) link

I had to google "Peter Thiel." I'm a low info voter.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:24 (seven years ago) link

its portrayal of American history as a long unending story of white supremacy

Well, yes

Sean, let me be clear (silby), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:24 (seven years ago) link

I'm listening to him. On behalf of gay entrepreneurial low info voters, I apologize to y'all for giving you Peter Thiel.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:24 (seven years ago) link

crawl into a dead asshole and die, you sniveling quisling

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:26 (seven years ago) link

osmosis.

based stress reduction (crüt), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:27 (seven years ago) link

earlier i heard clips of the band playing this special "make america great again" song i wonder if we're gonna hear it

arts and crafts THIS GUY (daria-g), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:27 (seven years ago) link

Good. No matter how camera-targeted the cheering was, any vocal booing would have been ugly.

clemenza, Friday, 22 July 2016 01:28 (seven years ago) link


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