Benedict Cumberbatch IS Doctor Strange.

what that trailer really drives home is: i could watch chiwetel ejiofor doing his chiwetel ejiofor thing ALL DAY

vastly prefer cosmic-time-and-weird-dimension-straddling Ditko and Englehart type Dr. Strange stuff so this is clearly not for me

Me too and I think this looks great. 🤔

He was definitely Asian in his first couple of appearances.

https://storify.com/charlesatan/kurt-busiek-on-dr-strange-as-asian

Anyway, new trailer. Should it be making me think of Inception so much?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xoxeCWpZyU

p much hate everything about this - the casting, the Inception-style effects, the visual style

oh well

I'm kind of relieved there's nothing Marvel are doing for me to give them money any time soon.

Is this the same Universe as the Netflix stuff? Which is a peripheral part of Avengers/SHIELD one of course.

Yes. Luke Cage talks about The Avengers NYC craziness it in the pilot.

I love that in the newest teaser trailer they namedrop Steve Ditko while showing art by Gene Colan and Dan Adkins.

Is he going to at least cameo in the Defenders? Since he was a founder member in the comics and seems to have been in every line up afterwards. Seems a bit of a coincidence that he is introduced to that universe in the run up to the group team up which will now just be the Netflix team up characters.
BGeen a while since I read the origin of the team but wasn't he the forming member?

But then again looks like they have been trying to get a Dr Strange film under way for years.

Just surprising that they'd go ahead with a group name being used with none of the main members being included. I think all those that are going to be in it are more on the level of associated members in the comics.

I don't think there's been any direct crossover between the movies and the Netflix shows. It's just a coincidence. The Defenders is simply a convenient name plucked from

Marvel history

The main notable thing about the Defenders is that they're... not the Avengers. The original lineup was Doctor Strange, the Silver Surfer, the Hulk, and Namor. Marvel Studios doesn't have the rights to half of those, currently, the Hulk is on the Avengers and played by an actor who isn't too likely to pop in for a tv cameo, and Dr. Strange isn't even out yet.

There's a point in the New Avengers stuff from 2010ish when it was a team led by Luke Cage, with Iron Fist and Doctor Strange in tow along with a mishmash of others and someone makes a crack about "New Avengers? Shouldn't you be calling yourself the Defenders?"

It's always been a mishmash of whatever characters editorial decides is available for a team book

No Son of Satan no credibility

oh yay more exploding cgi cities

as they would say in the tv corner of the marvel universe, you're thinking of the avengers

this is the warping and inverting cgi cities movie that looks like inception

tbh i was disappointed that the city-warping weirdness promised in the inception trailers turned out to be confined to one short sequence :(

my main concern is that this movie will have flashes of psychedelia but ultimately it'll end up with doctor strange and the villain going more-or-less conventionally toe-to-toe at an nyc landmark

surprisingly the landmark is a deli

Wasn't Patsy "Hellcat" Walker a Defender for a long time? If she'll be in the Netflix show, at least they'll have one genuine member from the comics.

surprisingly the landmark is a deli

[INT: KATZ'S DELI, NIGHT]

A close-to-broken DOCTOR STRANGE is on his knees between tables, surrounded by SMASHED CROCKERY and OTHER DETRITUS as terrified patrons look on. His hands GLOW with ELDRITCH SYMBOLS as he desperately fends off a BLAZING SUPERNATURAL ATTACK from KAECILIUS, who is ADVANCING TOWARDS HIM, bent on MURDER.

Suddenly STRANGE's defences are BROKEN! He screams and screams as KAECILIUS' BLASTS of power SURGE through him and he FALLS TO THE FLOOR, exhausted.

ELDERLY PATRON
I'll have what he's having!

if it's the movies, ELDERLY PATRON is Stan Lee, for better or worse

https://scontent.fman2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/14650158_139884096475868_6264790131856466078_n.jpg?oh=f1a4054b1e56a604ce2e8191ff879796&oe=5895342B

Is the kid to Stan's right dressed up as the Man himself?

Wonder Man without glasses?

burt reynolds in boogie nights i think

it's rick jones, come on

Strangin' it up

http://mashable.com/2016/10/20/doctor-strange-clip-benedict-cumberbatch/#zZ_MLC5CPkq2

off to see this tonight - will report back on whether katz's deli provides the backdrop to the final battle

are any of the post-60s Doctor Strange comics worth reading? I feel like once you remove Ditko and Colan's trippy artwork and Stan Lee's "hoary hosts of Hoggoth" dialogue, the basic concept itself is not really that interesting?

The issues drawn by Gene Colan and Tom Palmer are as beautiful, and as psychedelic, as the Ditko issues. There's a very good 60s run written by Roy Thomas, and drawn by Colan and Palmer, where Dr Strange gets to wear a mask for a while. In the early 70s, Steve Englehart and Frank Brunner (and later Colan and Palmer again) had a very good run on the title - Englehart was probably the first Dr Strange writer to actually have some knowledge of the occult. In the 80s, Roger Stern (w/ artists like Marshall Rogers and Dan Green) also wrote a fine sequence of issues (the Rogers-drawn stories are full of weird colour overlays and effects that are visually pretty striking, tho' the printing on the comics themselves was not always up to the task).

Colan is tremendous, probably my favorite marvel artist after Kirby.

I adore those Marshall Rogers/Terry Austin issues (#'s 46 -52 I think?) and there was a one-off Michael Golden drawn issue in there that's one of the most beautiful Marvel comics to see print, in my opinion. Paul Smith's run soon after this was very good, too.

What about P Craig Russell?

There's quite an interesting story behind PCR's Dr Strange story:

A Dr. Strange story was originally conceived, albeit in a much different form than either of these two, by Russell in 1973. It was envisioned by its creator as a 60-page story, and he drew up the first 20 or so pages. It was accepted by then-editor Roy Thomas…and then promptly sat in a drawer for three years. It was eventually released in a much shortened form (scripted by Marv Wolfman) as Dr. Strange Annual #1. Now fast-forward 20 years to 1996. Writer Marc Andreyko suggested that PCR resubmit it, in a form closer to the original 60-page opus. Russell did, and it was (again) accepted. Russell realized that he’d need to redraw and rethink the whole thing, seeing as two decades had passed.
http://gfbrobot.com/2011/11/17/uncollected-classics-doctor-strange-by-p-craig-russell/

Def agree abt that Golden-drawn issue of Dr Strange, AH; and I bet ppl like Arthur Adams and Jim Lee looked at it v closely.

P.S. That particular uncollected classic has just recently been collected (or the collection will be released soon).

nice!

it's over-referenced due to it being stuck firmly in Dr. Doom's continuity at this point, but the "Dr. Strange/Dr. Doom: Triumph & Torment" book (with art by Mike Mignola!) is pretty cool

paul smith sounds like a good fit for strange. i never saw those back in the day.

so is this cool and trippy?

trippy as in outer space and crazy colors, not trippy as in Inception/Matrix CGI buildings

I regret getting rid of a bunch of those Paul Smith issues that I got in the 80s, those were v good. Is the Michael Golden one referenced upthread the one with the crazy artist/Salvador Dali character..? that one was great

i'm definitely doing some torrenting tonight, i only have the 70s stuff

xpost No, that one was by Tony Salmons which I love as well. The Golden dealt with Strange (SPOILER!!!!) grieving over Clea and then entering some alternate Marvelverse where everything is a facade (maaaan). Sort of an "A Christmas Carol" type scenario if I recall. Gotta dig that one up again.

To get back on track here I cannot wait to go see this flick.

xpost that's giving me dematteis defenders feelings

aka i'm in

http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/doctor_strange_55.shtml

I'd forgotten about 'Les' and 'Ted'! Terry Austin inks, always helps.

my main concern is that this movie will have flashes of psychedelia but ultimately it'll end up with doctor strange and the villain going more-or-less conventionally toe-to-toe at an nyc landmark

well, this ended up having some pretty genuinely wiggy sequences, the wiggiest of which weren't hinted at in any of the trailers i saw, and the ending was a bit cleverer than i expected, so i guess it's a thumbs-up from me in that regard. hey kids: watch this movie on shrooms!

it's enjoyable overall, and there are a few shots where i thought 'wow benedict cumberbatch looks just like doctor strange!' but it did suffer a bit from superhero-origin-story syndrome and the timeline of his training seems weirdly, unnecessarily compressed. poor rachel mcadams is wasted in a thankless role, tilda swinton and benedict wong are fun, and the doctor's cape puts in an unexpectedly charismatic performance. solidly mid-tier marvel movie i guess?

apart from the relatively original resolution to the big boss battle and the occasional visual bit (although the Inception-style effects didn't do it for me at all) this is probably the most Marvel Marvel movie yet. Competent, respectful, but ultimately pretty tedious.

McAdams, Mikkelsen and Ejiofor shouldn't have bothered (weird to see Michael Stuhlbarg too, but he probably needed the cheque), and the attempts at snarky humour are really bad too.

rubbish, rubbish, rubbish

earned nothing. impossible to follow. tedious cliche after cliche rushed through. unbeatable odds for incredible stakes explained by bored actors in harry potter level performances and the inevitable handy resolution happened somewhere left of screen just before credits id have been embarrassed to have my name in.

I would think "tedious cliche after tedious cliche rushed through" would be really easy to follow