I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BOTTOM IS • US presidential elections part VIII

this is the kind of thing that makes me wonder if the whole "clinton plant" thing might not have some credence:

“We are gonna have tremendous turnout from the evangelicals, from the miners, from the people that make our steel, from people that are getting killed by trade deals, from people that have been just decimated, from the military who are with Trump 100 percent,” he went on. “From our vets because I’m going to take care of the vets.”

“I don’t know that we need to get out the vote,” the Republican nominee concluded. “I think people that really want to vote, they’re gonna just get up and vote for Trump. And we’re going to make America great again.”

you couldn't invent a better charlatan candidate.

something seemes more calculated to me with the 'obama founded isis' thing, like he drew out the statement and just kept saying it over and over

Nah, the guy really is that dumb. Probably someone at a fundraiser told him that Obama should be called the founder of ISIS, and he repeated it for a few days. Guy's a gullible idiot.

does the preet bahara story exist outside a couple fringe right-wing content mills? not that i think it's impossible or whatever but i was googling it and it seems like it's a big dailycaller scoop.

DT: If he would have done things properly, you wouldn’t have had ISIS.

HH: That’s true.

DT: Therefore, he was the founder of ISIS.

HH: And that’s, I’d just use different language to communicate it, but let me close with this, because I know I’m keeping you long, and Hope’s going to kill me.

DT: But they wouldn’t talk about your language, and they do talk about my language, right?

DT: But they wouldn’t talk about your language, and they do talk about my language, right?

is his entire candidacy summed up

For those who wanted some closure on the bicycle story, here's the youtube of the guy capitulating; dude's demeanor, even when not in full-on asshole mode is extremely trumpish
"of course i'm embarrassed, I'm on tv!"

got another link? that one won't load for me for whatever reason

I worry that Trump is blowing his load too early. He suggested the Russians should hack her emails, then he suggested gun people should possibly shoot her, called her the devil and now is literally saying she's responsible for ISIS. I just don't know where you go after this. Maybe "brain transplant from Hitler" has some legs.

The funny thing to me about all this is that the "pivot" every traditional Republican was praying for actually did happen, it just happened in the opposite direction.

Every time I see this thread title I can't help singing it to the tune of "I Don't Know How to Love Him" from Jesus Christ Superstar.

xp to GT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YevkFAfIEH4

oh right, flash issues: http://tinyurl.com/j22uwf7

https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/donald-trump-explains-calling-obama-founder-isis-sarcasm/story%3fid=41326238?client=safari

Just a bit of sarcasm

― Treeship, Friday, August 12, 2016 9:30 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

picturing bored teen Trump hanging with Daria: "You know who's totally the founder of ISIS? Obama." Rolls eyes. "A real MVP."

I am aware that the "Clinton plant" is just a pleasant daydream, but I do like the idea that with a few weeks to go he finally starts spending money - on ads supporting Republican candidates in the Senate and the House.

Trump's sarcasm defense reminds me of the time my mom heard me call my brother a whore when we were kids and, when pressed, I insisted that I'd actually called him a horror. No one in that situation bought it and I think everyone knew that no one bought it.

His inability to apologize, however half-assed, is pathological and truly infantile. It's like asking a child with chocolate on their face and fingers, surrounded by candy wrappers, if they at the candy, and they say no and try to blame it on the dog. And then they say they didn't even like the chocolate, anyway.

trump's use of "sarcasm" there is like the dead parrot salesman's brother declaring "it was a pun."

Artist's mock up of Trump/Mexico wall: https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/10382555_4376370543462_4219718631533707336_o.jpg

My bad, that is his proposed wall between the US and Great Britain.

Bereft of life, it rests in peace; if you hadn't nailed it to the perch it'd be pushin' up the daisies! It's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! This... is a Brex-Parrot!

does the preet bahara story exist outside a couple fringe right-wing content mills? not that i think it's impossible or whatever but i was googling it and it seems like it's a big dailycaller scoop.

― Mordy, Friday, August 12, 2016 9:14 AM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so far everyone is just linking the daily caller, but it seems legit. could be bad. clintons would have no-one to blame but themselves if this leads to trump being president.

can someone explain the allegation itt so I don't have to give horrible places any clicks?

hillary traded favors (jobs in the gov, arms sales to foreign countries) for donations to her foundation

Trump's sarcasm defense reminds me of the time my mom heard me call my brother a whore when we were kids and, when pressed, I insisted that I'd actually called him a horror. No one in that situation bought it and I think everyone knew that no one bought it.

him trying to explain the "blood coming out of her whatever" reminded me of the same thing. it's an excuse 12-year old me might've used.

once watched a friend insist fiercely to his parents he'd had no idea "bastard" didn't mean "fish poop"

sort of believe it?

When I was twelve I called my sister a "dildo." My mom said it was a bad word. When I asked her what it meant, she said, "I can't even say it. Wait till your father gets home."

it's an excuse 12-year old me might've used.

Anderson Cooper set the baseline at 5-year-old early on.

glad to hear so many others have attempted this gambit -- i get sent home with a note from school with instructions to give it to my mom (which of course i did, this being catholic school), which explained that i said "shut the damn door" when someone left the door open while we were watching a film strip in a darkened classroom

what i meant, though, see, was that the door was a ~dam~ for the ~light~ and i was just asking for someone to shut the ~dam door~

ok that's the best one

I wonder what's going to come out of this Clinton foundation junk. does anyone know if this could actually be damning for her, or if it's most likely a bunch of smoke? kinda worried since the Comey/emails thing definitely did hurt her quite badly. or at this point is the media so focused on Trump that nobody's going to hear much about it?

also reminds me of our 8th grade science teacher, who won us over by repeated, showy references to an upcoming field trip to hydroelectric plant as "the dam field trip"

Three months doesn't seem long enough for a federal investigation

Simpsons did it

https://frinkiac.com/meme/S08E24/1103635.jpg?b64lines=SEVZLCBXT1VMRAogWU9VIFRXTyBDTE9TRSBUSEUgCkRBTSBET09SPw==

not too worried about the clinton foundation thing tbh, it's still 3 months until the election and there will definitely be some bad news cycles for her and they might last a few days or a week and then trump will say or do something stupid again

I wonder what's going to come out of this Clinton foundation junk. does anyone know if this could actually be damning for her, or if it's most likely a bunch of smoke?

i thought the email server would be a bunch of smoke (could not believe that anyone would care) but Comey's press conference did seem to hurt her so I guess this could too. my guess (based on practically nothing) is that they won't find any intent or smoking gun, but they'll end up bashing her for acting irresponsibly by not creating enough of a firewall between her state work and the foundation.

@mmurraypolitics

New NBC/WSJ/Marist polls
CO: HRC 46, Trump 32 (+14)
FL: HRC 44, Trump 39 (+5)
NC: HRC 48, Trump 39 (+9)
VA: HRC 46, Trump 33 (+13)

Aug 4-10

I worry that Trump is blowing his load too early. He suggested the Russians should hack her emails, then he suggested gun people should possibly shoot her, called her the devil and now is literally saying she's responsible for ISIS. I just don't know where you go after this.

i thought this back in december when he brought up banning muslims, but dude keeps coming thru

goddam

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/764121779195478017

FL
Clinton 41%
Trump 36
Johnson 9
Stein 4

CO
Clinton 41
Trump 29
Johnson 15
Stein 6

I don't think the email thing will wound her any more than she is already, barring the discovery of something big-league illegal. People already don't trust her, even many (most?) of her supporters. But like I posted a while back, she's going to be under investigation non-stop even once elected, morning to night, again and again, for the same shit, over and over, with new shit being thrown in as it's invented/procured. Benghazi, ACA, Clinton foundation, emails. Over and over again.

yup

It's not a Clinton administration if there aren't subpoenas flying around daily

A telling sign from last night (not really new, but still)

https://twitter.com/M_Gelin/status/763900401200619520

yeah I'm just kinda wondering where people's minds are at now. when Clinton's numbers took a dive in July I think a lot of Republicans were still thinking that Trump was going to pivot for the general and tone down the crazy talk. now I think it's been proven that if anything, he will get worse. I don't know how many people would be willing to jump back on the train.

The funny thing to me about all this is that the "pivot" every traditional Republican was praying for actually did happen, it just happened in the opposite direction.

Ha

Trump tells the Miami Herald it would "be fine" if American terror suspects were tried before military tribunals at gitmo. gee, sounds great. also:

Trump spoke to the Herald at the Fontainebleau Hotel, steps from the shoreline and not far from streets the city of Miami Beach has spent millions of dollars elevating to fend off rising seas.

“I’m not a big believer in man-made climate change,” Trump said, despite vast scientific evidence to the contrary. “There could be some impact, but I don’t believe it’s a devastating impact.”

bonuses: some really garbled stuff on cuba and venezuela. the paper, refreshingly, points out many of the things that don't make any sense or are in conflict with reality. the cuba stuff in particular sounds like it would be a real problem for him trying to scrape up republican votes in miami, but i don't really know the ins and outs of the reparations question.

there was a quote the other day where someone asked trump how he felt about people comparing him to hugo chavez; trump fairly clearly had no idea who that was and descended (even more quickly) into word salad

Yeah, that comes out in that same interview; here's Deb's transcription of the relevant portion:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpoGdDXVUAASUAT.jpg

Added Trump, "He freed a lot of people, but it seems the good just die young. You know, I just looked around, and he's gone."