I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BOTTOM IS • US presidential elections part VIII

demand to know who that jacoby-esque picture was of then

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/15/23/2F5FF6DF00000578-3361739-Donald_Trump_s_doctor_Harold_Bornstein_seen_here_in_his_Twitter_-a-16_1450221682514.jpg

this "doctor's letter" was put out back in the primaries, and yeah i remember people finding something on a "jacob bornstein MD" at the time

him not existing (or at least the whole thing being fake somehow) is my gloss on the thing

er sorry, the other name on the masthead, harold

Trump's doctor either (A) Failed to detect the debilitating bone spurs that kept Trump out of the draft, or (B) Is a genius who has cured bone spurs but has kept this information from the general public for murky reasons.

Which is it?

I think Trump's claim is that (C) the bone spurs magically got better later in life because he is so extraordinarily healthy. But don't take his word for it - an extended correspondence with the invisible doctors should clear everything right up.

obv (C) Trump wrote his own medical record. "Extraordinary" is a Trump word, right?

aside: that longroom un-skewed polling site is down and has been (i think) since 538 posted about it last week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-k_eX7N0ds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-k_eX7N0ds

oh been away i guess imbeds are broke

www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-k_eX7N0ds

I am mildly unsettled by people whose first name is Van. Van Jones, Van Morrison.

I went to high school with someone named Van Patterson. He was a year behind me. He turned out to have . . . unusual proclivities:

Nov. 23, 1991 1:13 PM ET
PAINESVILLE, OHIO PAINESVILLE, Ohio (AP) _ A 23-year-old man was convicted as the ''BVD Bandit'' for breaking into homes, fondling sleeping men and cutting off their underwear.

A jury on Friday found Van W. Patterson guilty of 21 counts of aggravated burglary, four counts of sexual imposition and two counts of robbery.

Lake County Judge Paul H. Mitrovich ordered another psychiatric evaluation for Patterson before his sentencing. Patterson faces up to 45 years in prison.

A psychiatrist testified that Patterson got sexual gratification from the break-ins. Such behavior resulted from years of sexual abuse in boyhood by his father, said Dr. Howard Gottesman, who treats sexual disorders.
Victims testified they were chasing the intruder when they realized their cut-up underwear had fallen off.

somehow every sentence of that story is more amazing than the last

sorry for the HuffPo but....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-eric-schneiderman-trump-university_us_57b2340ae4b0a8e15024e470

please Mr. Halen is my father's name

Tejas in play?

http://m.statesman.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/trump-has-six-point-lead-over-clinton-in-texas-bui/nsGjz/

nah

2020 mmmmaybe

the best thing about this is, ultimately, the GOP takeaway will be "Trump was a disaster, if only we would have nominated one of the 15 damaged, repellent dipshits that he walked all over in the primaries we could have won!!"

Texas is weird in that it's the metropolitan areas that trend conservative and the more rural immigrant-rich areas which trend liberal. So even with the ever growing non-white population in Texas, the people in the cities call the shots. 2020 even is probably wishful thinking.

IIRC, Texas is in play by 2024 if the Latino turnout climbs a good deal but not until 2032 if it doesn't.

That's not quite right about urban/rural BTW - the four largest cities all vote Democratic now (Dallas, San Antonio, Houston, Austin), the suburbs are Republican and most of the rural areas are Republican, except for right on the border.

http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2013/07/obama-romney-texas.jpg

Yeah, I knew I was kind of forcing it, but Texas is still kind of atypical when compared to a lot of other states (in that many of its least populous areas vote blue).

the best thing about this is, ultimately, the GOP takeaway will be "Trump was a disaster, if only we would have nominated one of the 15 damaged, repellent dipshits that he walked all over in the primaries we could have won!!"

That will be amusing if attempted.

It will also be funny if they conclude the opposite - that what they need is Moar Trumpiness. Look forward to a close-fought contest between Joe Arpaio, Tom Tancredo, and Joe "the Plumber" Wurzelbacher. Trey Gowdy and Tom Cotton will present themselves as the safe, sane, electable establishment types.

This will all be accompanied by a relentless drumbeat from the grassroots to draft Sarah Palin. And at the last possible moment, she will miraculously ride in to the convention arena on the back of a rabid grizzly and save the day.

There was already a good chance that a Republican never wins a presidential election again, but if they opt to go more nativist and conspiratorial next election, that pretty much ensures it.

Who should play Trump in Clinton's debate prep sessions?

i think it was Alfred on one of the earlier threads who suggested james carville after a couple of cocktails.

I saw my parents over the weekend (they live in Alabama, and are by-the-book Republicans). They voted for Kasich in the primaries, but admitted they were probably voting for Trump in the general while admitting they haven't been following even a quarter of the news coverage about him. There were lots of things I brought up that he'd said that they had no idea about. It's definitely disappointing on a personal level that my parents would stoop to do this, but I was happy to remind them that because they live in Alabama anyway it didn't matter in the grand scheme. If they lived in a swing state, I'd be livid.

the best thing about this is, ultimately, the GOP takeaway will be "Trump was a disaster, if only we would have nominated one of the 15 damaged, repellent dipshits that he walked all over in the primaries we could have won!!"

― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 16, 2016 4:10 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's gonna be so good

re: trump is not actually doing historically badly with hispanic voters (better than romney?!). if that persists, hilllary winning tx would depend entirely on growing hispanic turnout/population rather than changing minds. she can't count on his being a uniquely repellent republican nominee because apparently he's not?

https://twitter.com/adrian_gray/status/764993758865846292

since they do live in a red state why not encourage them to vote hillary since there's no chance she's going to win alabama and trump is such an odious disgusting immoral figure that casting a ballot for him probably damages yr soul and hurts yr stake in the afterlife. xxp

ironic/gross enough: the GOP could just be an immigration restrictionist party and it wouldn't be as susceptible to trumpism.

They hate her because they've been trained to, despite me pointing out that she's basically a 60s/70s Republican centrist. xp

these people are nuts https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-campaign-insiders-explain-their-war-on-the-media-203810219.html?_fsig=tzhz7uX5nZ8Dg2X4FbQEPw

I don't think Trump is that close with Latino voters in most polls. Seems like they've been showing Hillary at 80%+ most of the time.

http://www.univision.com/univision-news/politics/exclusive-new-poll-shows-trump-has-a-big-hispanic-problem-in-florida

“Attacking the media wins you votes. The voters have become skeptical of the media,” Stone explained. “You know, it’s not like the days when everyone believed Walter Cronkite. Nobody believes these bastards now because the news is indeed biased.”

lol it wins you SOME votes amongst people who use the word "lamestream" in their daily vocabulary, everybody else just gets tired of your petulant whining.

Stone is like people who think that because vinyl is selling more than it has in twenty years the music industry will soon return to some pre-Napster idyll.

Stone and the rest of Nixon's administration were big fans of the media back in the golden days.

Which of course leads to this, from an upcoming piece by Oliver Darcy for Business Insider, from an interview with right-wing radio guy Charlie Sykes:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cp2BSvnXYAA84Ch.jpg

“I get a little bit of a smile when I see at night … when journalists take a look and essentially acknowledge that they’re reading these and that they’re paying attention,” Miller said. “Our goal in this is to call attention to what we see as the most extreme examples of media bias with an effort of making folks think twice about everything from story placement to fairness.”

and these journos will smile when your crew gets fucking smoked in november and you're unemployable

Roger Stone-

Roger Stone and Robert Morrow's book The Clintons' War On Women is dedicated to and repeatedly cites research from Victor Thorn, who wrote The Holocaust Hoax Exposed and blames a "Jewish plot" for the 9/11 attacks

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/11/13/anti-clinton-authors-dedicated-their-book-to-a/206837

in other news, baby thing was one case where Trump had a point (which doesn't negate the millions of other idiotic things he has said)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/08/donald-trump/donald-trump-accurately-says-media-wrong-he-kicked/

its hard to get a sense where this turd is joking, lying, telling the truth, etc since everything that comes out of his mouth is garbage

and these journos will smile when your crew gets fucking smoked in november and you're unemployable

― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, August 16, 2016 5:55 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i always find it amusing when the party that fetishes gun ownership and currently has a Presidential nominee who resorts to intimidation and bully tactics turn into whiny 11 year old boys when it comes to the media and its perceived lack of "fairness"

Someone should make a Trump speak version lorem ipsum generator.

I don't think Trump is that close with Latino voters in most polls. Seems like they've been showing Hillary at 80%+ most of the time.

the point of that tweet is not that trump is doing well with hispanics. it's that nationally he's doing no worse than the last two republican nominees.

the florida poll says "This time, Trump may fare as badly with Hispanics in Florida as he does nationally, potentially spelling doom for his chances" but that poll suggests the "may" in this sentence turns out not to be true.

sorry "the florida article you linked to says", and the "poll i linked to" suggests

i cannot write today

Caveats:

1) Always a blowhard.
2) A month ago, Moore was gravely warning everyone that not only could Trump win, he was going to.

But this is not all that far away from where I am in trying to figure out the last three weeks. Can't tell if the "inside information" stuff is meant to be true or heavy-handed satire.

http://michaelmoore.com/TrumpSabotage/

who the hell is "don" in the post script? draper?

Donald Trump never actually wanted to be President of the United States. I know this for a fact. I’m not going to say how I know it.

Great intro