i thought ILX hated the whole DO YOU SEE? approach across the board.
― scott seward, Thursday, 25 August 2016 19:54
I thought Kurosawa's Pulse was like this, although it has some great moments.
Never liked Finding Nemo much. I generally don't like the animation style of Pixar, Dreamworks and similar teams, but I loved Ratatouille and the Toy Story series is good.
I found There Will Be Blood surprisingly fun, one of my favourite crazy bastards in film. The Master is great.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 25 August 2016 22:17 (seven years ago) link
xpost would def have Jia's Still Life in my top ten
― Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 25 August 2016 22:21 (seven years ago) link
A Touch of Sin is brilliant.
― calzino, Thursday, 25 August 2016 22:23 (seven years ago) link
mountains may depart >>>>>
― 龜, Thursday, 25 August 2016 22:24 (seven years ago) link
If ILX did a poll it might be worse. Then again it would have Amour Fou on it, probably.Chuffed to see Yi Yi in the top 10. Its one of the few post-Ozu films that builds something (its been a few years so I couldn't specify rn) on his legacy, adds a layer (or several) on top. xp― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:38 PM (Yesterday) Bookmarksorry but taiwanese new wave comparisons to ozu are over and kinda questionable― 龜, Wednesday, August 24, 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Chuffed to see Yi Yi in the top 10. Its one of the few post-Ozu films that builds something (its been a few years so I couldn't specify rn) on his legacy, adds a layer (or several) on top. xp
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:38 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
sorry but taiwanese new wave comparisons to ozu are over and kinda questionable
― 龜, Wednesday, August 24, 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Definitely not over for me. Yi Yi especially is very much in dialogue with Ozu - its not the only thing but why deny that?
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 25 August 2016 22:27 (seven years ago) link
cause it's an extremely lazy comparison?
― 龜, Thursday, 25 August 2016 22:42 (seven years ago) link
I haven't seen Mountains yet :(
― blafe and sand (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 25 August 2016 22:43 (seven years ago) link
Its a correct comparison - just depends on how you expand on it.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:27 (seven years ago) link
― blafe and sand (Noodle Vague),
it's wonderful, please do
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:51 (seven years ago) link
what the comparison says to me is you group your directors by geography and phenotype and nothing more xp
― 龜, Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:54 (seven years ago) link
xp waiting for our slim-resourced local arthouse club to get on with it
― blafe and sand (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 25 August 2016 23:57 (seven years ago) link
La CommuneEurekaPlatformSpirited AwayLegally BlondeZidane: A 21st Century PortraitBig Man JapanArchipelagoThe RaidThe Assassin
list subject to change in any given 10 minutes; NFG
― blafe and sand (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 August 2016 00:11 (seven years ago) link
4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days (Cristian Mungiu, 2007)I haven't seen this one yet and have no memory of it being a Palm d'Or winner.
It's so great. The trailers make it look trudging and worthy but it's an extremely tight and tense thriller. And I guess it really is worthy. Probably my favourite Palme winner along with Entre Le Murs/The Class.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Friday, 26 August 2016 01:04 (seven years ago) link
it's a fine film but if i took a Romanian entry it might be Death of Mr Lazarescu
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 August 2016 01:06 (seven years ago) link
(The Class didn't get a single vote)
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Friday, 26 August 2016 01:07 (seven years ago) link
If I could only choose one Romanian film it would probably be something by Porumboiu. But I don't know if I'd vote for 12:08 or Police, Adjective. And The Treasure is a dangerous dark horse as well, at least for best ending.
― Frederik B, Friday, 26 August 2016 01:11 (seven years ago) link
Too hard to narrow it down, but here's my list. Only four made it onto the BBC's.
The Turin HorseInland EmpireSynecdoche NY2046Stray DogsSyndromes and a CenturyThe IntruderLove ExposureYou, the LivingA Serious Man
― Cherish, Friday, 26 August 2016 03:30 (seven years ago) link
fwiw here are some films from the past 16–17 years that mean a lot to me:
Goodbye to LanguageExiledPlatformA History of ViolenceSpirited AwayOur Beloved Month of August35 Shots of RumEccentricities of a Blonde-Haired GirlIn the City of SylviaAI: Artificial IntelligenceHoly MotorsThe Holy GirlMoonrise KingdomInland EmpireGravityMelancholiaRatatouilleInglourious BasterdsNo Country for Old MenHukkleThe Iron Ministry
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 25 August 2016 16:28 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wtf
― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:29 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sorry, i know it's a boring list, though i'm not sure what prompted the 'wtf'. i was using teh BBC list to refresh my memory, and the more i think about it, the more i remember other films that didn'tmake the list.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 26 August 2016 05:23 (seven years ago) link
No Kung fu hus you know what never mind
― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Friday, 26 August 2016 06:07 (seven years ago) link
Hey man I did my best
― jez coorbes (wins), Friday, 26 August 2016 06:36 (seven years ago) link
But seriously I "f/w" am's list tbh all these lists are making me feel pretty good about films of the last whenever, even the bbc one. My eyes just skip over the terrible Nolan &c stuff
― jez coorbes (wins), Friday, 26 August 2016 06:38 (seven years ago) link
what the comparison says to me is you group your directors by geography and phenotype and nothing more xp― 龜, Thursday, 25 August 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― 龜, Thursday, 25 August 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It can look like that - as I haven't watched it alongside Ozu for a long-time I wouldn't feel like expanding but this particular film (unlike all other films by Yang I've seen) is very clearly a take on some of those Ozu dramas, and a build-upon them. There is plenty of other Asian cinema you wouldn't discuss alongside Ozu (that isn't just horror or animation) but this is a unique case to me.
I look at Taiwanese cinema sometimes as part of a 'slow-cinema' ecosystem that is very international but I can see why it might be annoying to you to talk of Yi Yi in terms of Ozu.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 26 August 2016 07:46 (seven years ago) link
4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days maybe the most tense and visceral experience I've had in the cinema, partially because it was unexpected - we'd gone to see something else that was sold out and picked it instead as I vaguely recalled someone here saying something positive about it, but had no idea what it was about.
I have a terrible idea of intercutting it with a Dardenne bros film to make the social realist epic 4 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days and 1 night.
― all olly murs' lemurs (ledge), Friday, 26 August 2016 08:05 (seven years ago) link
if i took a Romanian entry it might be Death of Mr Lazarescu
Yes, was just thinking that this was another notable absence - it made the BFI/Sight and Sound Top 250 a few years ago. I had to spend a couple of days in the Glasgow Royal Infirmary hospital last year, and many parts of the film rang very true, sadly - that mixture of expertise and incompetence, care and indifference.
Dardenne Bros also seem to be falling out of favour - L'Enfant at least deserves a spot, imho - has some of the same tension and surprise as 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days.
― Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Friday, 26 August 2016 08:47 (seven years ago) link
4 Days... is easily one of the best experiences I've ever had with a new release on the big screen. This and Hidden.
Only watched Lazarescu on TV.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 26 August 2016 08:51 (seven years ago) link
There's enough in Yi Yi to make the Ozu comparison valid. The ending is similar to Tokyo Story, and there are a few other moments which I think are explicitly inviting the comparison. It might actually be more prominent during the sequence in Japan, where there are some shots that use the classic Ozu framing (static, low camera height), and even a location in common with Tokyo Story, the seaside in Atami. But on a deeper level I'm not sure I could say what the connection is. I don't think it's the key to understanding that movie or anything.
― jmm, Friday, 26 August 2016 14:08 (seven years ago) link
The most overt Ozu homage in the last decade or so is Hou's Café Lumière; it was practically a summoning of his ghost.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 August 2016 14:13 (seven years ago) link
Looks cool. I haven't seen that yet. I only started getting into Hou Hsiao-Hsien films this year after being mystified by The Assassin (in a good way - I want to watch it again soon).
― jmm, Friday, 26 August 2016 17:10 (seven years ago) link
I think the biggest Ozu homage I've seen recently is Liu Shumin's The Family. It's basically Tokyo Story, except 4 hours long, and in China. Kinda a masterpiece.
― Frederik B, Friday, 26 August 2016 19:49 (seven years ago) link
Just saw this today: http://www.filmcomment.com/blog/film-week-happy-hour/
Ozu and Yi Yi, its like the plague!
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 26 August 2016 20:07 (seven years ago) link
Happy Hour is less like Ozu than The Family :) I watched them a couple days apart.
― Frederik B, Friday, 26 August 2016 20:11 (seven years ago) link
I think Yi Yi is also far enough away from Ozu. Thought it used it as a template but veered significantly from it, which is why I was excited about it at the time beyond the execution being all-round amazing too!
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 26 August 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link
Hou's Cafe Lumiere and Kiarostami's Five were both dedicated to Ozu and released in the centenary year of Ozu's birth (2003) - the Kiarostami especially is quite an oblique response to Ozu
― Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Friday, 26 August 2016 20:14 (seven years ago) link
i think the way yang contemplates the tension between individual will and the pressures of family is oz-like
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 26 August 2016 21:07 (seven years ago) link
er, ozU-like
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 26 August 2016 21:08 (seven years ago) link
Jonathan Rosenbaum's list:
https://www.jonathanrosenbaum.net/2017/06/my-25-favorite-films-of-this-millennium-so-far/
― Eazy, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 05:07 (six years ago) link
JR counting on another 983 years of cinema
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 11:03 (six years ago) link
FIN DE ROSENBAUM
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 11:12 (six years ago) link
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 11:13 (six years ago) link
nice list, tho Bernie & Fernanda Hussein, ai yi yi
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:26 (six years ago) link
no cloudy with a chance of meatballs no credibility
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:27 (six years ago) link
MacGruber
― Chris L, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:30 (six years ago) link
When in doubt, the answer to most questions is MacGruber, I find.
― I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:20 (six years ago) link
I remain mystified by his affection for Down with Love.
― insidious assymetrical weapons (Eric H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:23 (six years ago) link
This never made its way into the thread: https://www.filmcomment.com/article/film-comments-end-of-the-decade-critics-poll/
I like this list because There Will Be Blood is all the way down at #5.
― insidious assymetrical weapons (Eric H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 13:24 (six years ago) link
Loads I need to see on the Rosenbaum list
― imago, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:05 (six years ago) link
what the FUCK do critics see in Million Dollar Baby?
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:10 (six years ago) link
Down with Love also a fave of the erstwhile ilxor KJB
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:36 (six years ago) link
Data point: I saw Alexander Payne do a Q&A last month, and he said the only masterpiece of the 21st century so far was Amour.
― Eazy, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:59 (six years ago) link
He's half right in that Alexander Payne has directed no masterpieces this century.
― insidious assymetrical weapons (Eric H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 15:01 (six years ago) link