I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BOTTOM IS • US presidential elections part VIII

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-donald-trump-losing-garrison-keillor-20160831-story.html

This is my favorite thing in a while.

RE: the robert draper story, in which DJT Jr tells Kasich that they would like to make an offer for him to handle domestic and foreign policy while DJT "makes America great again."

Another way of saying it is that he doesn't want to be POTUS. He wants to be King.

https://whatimg.com/i/LWVGhR.png

This reminds me of the praise you might give a hyperactive child for sitting still (and not pulling on the pony tail of the girl seated in front of him) for several minutes.

"look, trump stood up before a podium and didn't drool on himself! presidential!"

I don't know why we'd really question that one of the biggest narcissists of our times truly wants to be "leader of the free world". That he has no idea what the job actually entails, ok sure.

Oh man this is ridiculous

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/02/us/politics/donald-trump-black-voters-wayne-jackson.html

holy fucking shit!!!

this is A+++
“If we are to make America great again, we must reduce, rather than highlight, issues of race in this country”

yeah that'll win over minorities

high-fives to whoever leaked this

To a question submitted by Bishop Jackson about whether his campaign is racist, the script suggests that Mr. Trump avoid repeating the word

"if by racist you mean I like watching NASCAR, hell yeah!"

Clinton camp is testing out shit she could say that would get under his skin at the debates. I know one thing that would fuck with him hard, and I hesitate to say this even anonymously, as this is an aspect of my life that I don't like talking about with my own cohort.

My father is member of several golf clubs frequented by 1%ers. These are the most elite organizations as such in North America: one is in West Palm Beach Fl, not far from where DJT has his own club and Mar a Lago. These men have not one single shred of respect for him, consider him an uncouth asshole (that's pretty rich coming from some of these men, Fox News talking point repeaters who I disliked intensely when I met them) and will never ever admit him into their clubs. It is obvious that he wants to be accepted by these men, who truly embody the archetype that he has enacted cartoonishly in public for 40 years, so he made his own clubs near the ones that will never ever accept him. Discretion is very important to them, and that he is a jackass at an unprecedentedly public level is utterly unacceptable. He will always be Queens/bridge and tunnel trash to them, yet he desperately craves their acceptance.

DJT sensed the weaknesses of his opponents in the past year and ruthlessly exploited them. Yet the Clinton camp would never go for the gut as he has every time he had the chance: "you want so badly to be accepted by the real rulers of this country. But they laugh at you, your golf game, your garish taste and your utter lack of refinement. they will sooner respect my husband, who they viscerally despise, than you." They can't do anything with that, but he would lose his shit for sure.

To a question submitted by Bishop Jackson about whether his campaign is racist, the script suggests that Mr. Trump avoid repeating the word, and instead speak about improving education and getting people off welfare and back to work.

b/c if there's one thing black folks love, it's racism being waved away in favor of the implication that all black people are on welfare. go trump!

"you want so badly to be accepted by the real rulers of this country. But they laugh at you, your golf game, your garish taste and your utter lack of refinement. they will sooner respect my husband, who they viscerally despise, than you."

it's true that this would irritate Trump, but no way could Clinton say it without looking like a patronizing, elitist bitch

she should just bring Eustace Tilley onstage to say it

Soooooooooo he's opted for a pre-scripted, private interview with the pastor because his campaign is uncomfortable with him speaking directly to an all-black congregation.

Beautiful. Just beautiful.

So far, Melania Trump is a bigger winner this year than her husband:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3769798/Melania-Trump-retraction.html

Meantime, I think these two are related:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-campaign-turmoil-227652

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/01/trump-enlists-veteran-operative-david-bossie-as-deputy-campaign-manager/

Bossie is the guy behind Citizens United. He also has zero experience with campaign management, I gather.

Stage managed to death.

The proof, as they say, will be in the pudding

I nominate this as the title of the next (hopefully final) election thread.

Fingers crossed he misreads that as putin

the Putin, as they say, will be in the pudding?

Heard Tim Donnelly from California on the BBC World Service this afternoon - his response to 'so many people dislike Trump and object to his stance on immigration' was laughing and denying. Hard to tell if he was that delusional or just playing his part.

He also trotted out that Trump would serve the interests of the middle class against one-percenter elites who 'control everything' (like Trump?!) and do the bidding of the poors on welfare and immigrants stealing jobs. That was one of the more openly fascist things I've heard a Trump flack come out and state, straight out of the Mussolini playbook.

The BBC host had to stop himself from being too obviously derisive.

one-percenter elites who 'control everything' (like Trump?!) and do the bidding of the poors on welfare

Ahh, the classic pincer movement.

The proof, as they say, will be in the pudding

no, the saying goes "the proof of the pudding is in the eating." btw, "proof" here is used in the sense of "test", just as it is in the saying "the exception proves the rule".

But the exception does prove the rule!

many thanks to Mordy for introducing me to the accelerationalists, very interesting and in line w/certain splits of radical thought that seem (to me) to have been around since the 90's at least.

But the exception does prove the rule!

yes, but only in the sense that it "tests" the rule. for example, consider the rule "when you step on a crack, you break your mother's back". the exceptions to this rule certainly test it, but they only "prove" the rule is worthless nearly 100% of the time. /pedantry

the 1790s maybe xp

Meantime

https://twitter.com/Toure/status/771504689808543744

...and the problem is...?

xp true but as a theory being written about I was thinking of the whole "primitivists vs. extropians" thing that ran in Anarchy magazine back in the 90's.

https://whatimg.com/i/LWVGhR.png

This reminds me of the praise you might give a hyperactive child for sitting still (and not pulling on the pony tail of the girl seated in front of him) for several minutes.

wait a minute, WHERE IS THE AMERICAN FLAG? does he not love America?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/01/ann_coulter_trumps_immigration_speech_was_the_greatest_speech_of_all_time.html

Thirty seconds of audio is enough to get you to "establishment head-exploder."

I, for one, welcome our new taco truck overlords.

Trumps entire speech last night was aimed at Coulter and the only reason he had to clarify his position is because his campaign was leaking all sorts of contradictory nonsense. Blaming Mexicans for everyone's problems isn't going to get him any new voters he doesn't already have on lock

many thanks to Mordy for introducing me to the accelerationalists, very interesting and in line w/certain splits of radical thought that seem (to me) to have been around since the 90's at least.

― vagenda of manocide (sleeve), Thursday, September 1, 2016 8:11 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

we have some occasional accelerationalists on this very board!

DJT sensed the weaknesses of his opponents in the past year and ruthlessly exploited them. Yet the Clinton camp would never go for the gut as he has every time he had the chance: "you want so badly to be accepted by the real rulers of this country. But they laugh at you, your golf game, your garish taste and your utter lack of refinement. they will sooner respect my husband, who they viscerally despise, than you." They can't do anything with that, but he would lose his shit for sure.

You're nuts. This would humanise Trump and make Clinton look like an awful dick to most of the electorate.

Things I thought I would never say Dept: "That Garrison Keillor take down of Trump is straight fire"

Okay, this is off-topic, but "the exceptions prove the rule" works exactly as said - it's not an example of prove-as-test, which theory I haven't seen around for a while, and thought had died out.

He will always be Queens/bridge and tunnel trash to them, yet he desperately craves their acceptance.

i'm comfortable accepting this as the motivation for pretty much everything Trump's ever done

Yabbut stevie's right that it's not a winning message.

"He's sneered at by snobby elites" is a major reason people love him.

This morning on the radio Ben Carson gave Trump's black outreach program an "A." Then he boasted that according to one (not specified) poll Trump's support among African-Americans had actually gone up from 1% to 18%. Yeah, sure, maybe among black republicans.

"You're nuts. This would humanise Trump and make Clinton look like an awful dick to most of the electorate."

excellent reading comprehension, my man!

"Yet the Clinton camp would never go for the gut as he has every time he had the chance… They can't do anything with that, but he would lose his shit for sure."

Um, those sentences don't say the same thing? But thanks for being needlessly charmless as ever!

Idk l thought "they can't do anything with that" made it pretty clear that this was not being offered as a viable course of action...

I thought this was very good: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-s-blood-libel-press-failure

Meanwhile, here's a read:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/09/how-fox-news-women-took-down-roger-ailes.html

A key bit, doing a lot of reconfirmation of what is already guessed/known:

Then came Donald Trump. Kelly’s feud with the GOP nominee was one of the dominant story lines of the presidential election; it also exploded the fragile balance of relationships at the top of Fox News.

According to Fox sources, Murdoch blamed Ailes for laying the groundwork for Trump’s candidacy. Ailes had given Trump, his longtime friend, a weekly call-in segment on Fox & Friends to sound off on political issues. (Trump used Fox News to mainstream the birther conspiracy theory.) Ailes also had lunch with Trump days before he launched his presidential campaign and continued to feed him political advice throughout the primaries, according to sources close to Trump and Ailes. (And in the days after Carlson filed her lawsuit, Trump advised Ailes on navigating the crisis, even recommending a lawyer.)

Murdoch was not a fan of Trump’s and especially did not like his stance on immigration. (The antipathy was mutual: “Murdoch’s been very bad to me,” Trump told me in March.) A few days before the first GOP debate on Fox in August 2015, Murdoch called Ailes at home. “This has gone on long enough,” Murdoch said, according to a person briefed on the conversation. Murdoch told Ailes he wanted Fox’s debate moderators — Kelly, Bret Baier, and Chris Wallace — to hammer Trump on a variety of issues. Ailes, understanding the GOP electorate better than most at that point, likely thought it was a bad idea. “Donald Trump is going to be the Republican nominee,” Ailes told a colleague around this time. But he didn’t fight Murdoch on the debate directive.

"Murdoch's been very bad to me."

Get the fuck out, you disingenuous whiny crybaby turd. Never witnessed a more needlessly petulant adult in my life.

EVERYTHING YOU HAVE IS DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO LUCK. YOU ARE YOUR OWN WORST ENEMY AND YET ARE MIRACULOUSLY NOT LIVING IN A GUTTER AS YOU RIGHTFULLY SHOULD BE. DISPLAY ONE SHRED OF GRATITUDE OR HUMILITY, FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK.

nieto kind of fucked up that opportunity huh

Kurt Eichenwald (Contributing editor, Vanity Fair; senior writer, Newsweek) on Twitter: "Trump's dad died of a form of alzheimer's that hits after 65. Trump is 70. And he and Mexico prez have different accounts of their meeting."