I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BOTTOM IS • US presidential elections part VIII

Stage managed to death.

The proof, as they say, will be in the pudding

I nominate this as the title of the next (hopefully final) election thread.

Fingers crossed he misreads that as putin

the Putin, as they say, will be in the pudding?

Heard Tim Donnelly from California on the BBC World Service this afternoon - his response to 'so many people dislike Trump and object to his stance on immigration' was laughing and denying. Hard to tell if he was that delusional or just playing his part.

He also trotted out that Trump would serve the interests of the middle class against one-percenter elites who 'control everything' (like Trump?!) and do the bidding of the poors on welfare and immigrants stealing jobs. That was one of the more openly fascist things I've heard a Trump flack come out and state, straight out of the Mussolini playbook.

The BBC host had to stop himself from being too obviously derisive.

one-percenter elites who 'control everything' (like Trump?!) and do the bidding of the poors on welfare

Ahh, the classic pincer movement.

The proof, as they say, will be in the pudding

no, the saying goes "the proof of the pudding is in the eating." btw, "proof" here is used in the sense of "test", just as it is in the saying "the exception proves the rule".

But the exception does prove the rule!

many thanks to Mordy for introducing me to the accelerationalists, very interesting and in line w/certain splits of radical thought that seem (to me) to have been around since the 90's at least.

But the exception does prove the rule!

yes, but only in the sense that it "tests" the rule. for example, consider the rule "when you step on a crack, you break your mother's back". the exceptions to this rule certainly test it, but they only "prove" the rule is worthless nearly 100% of the time. /pedantry

the 1790s maybe xp

Meantime

https://twitter.com/Toure/status/771504689808543744

...and the problem is...?

xp true but as a theory being written about I was thinking of the whole "primitivists vs. extropians" thing that ran in Anarchy magazine back in the 90's.

https://whatimg.com/i/LWVGhR.png

This reminds me of the praise you might give a hyperactive child for sitting still (and not pulling on the pony tail of the girl seated in front of him) for several minutes.

wait a minute, WHERE IS THE AMERICAN FLAG? does he not love America?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/01/ann_coulter_trumps_immigration_speech_was_the_greatest_speech_of_all_time.html

Thirty seconds of audio is enough to get you to "establishment head-exploder."

I, for one, welcome our new taco truck overlords.

Trumps entire speech last night was aimed at Coulter and the only reason he had to clarify his position is because his campaign was leaking all sorts of contradictory nonsense. Blaming Mexicans for everyone's problems isn't going to get him any new voters he doesn't already have on lock

many thanks to Mordy for introducing me to the accelerationalists, very interesting and in line w/certain splits of radical thought that seem (to me) to have been around since the 90's at least.

― vagenda of manocide (sleeve), Thursday, September 1, 2016 8:11 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

we have some occasional accelerationalists on this very board!

DJT sensed the weaknesses of his opponents in the past year and ruthlessly exploited them. Yet the Clinton camp would never go for the gut as he has every time he had the chance: "you want so badly to be accepted by the real rulers of this country. But they laugh at you, your golf game, your garish taste and your utter lack of refinement. they will sooner respect my husband, who they viscerally despise, than you." They can't do anything with that, but he would lose his shit for sure.

You're nuts. This would humanise Trump and make Clinton look like an awful dick to most of the electorate.

Things I thought I would never say Dept: "That Garrison Keillor take down of Trump is straight fire"

Okay, this is off-topic, but "the exceptions prove the rule" works exactly as said - it's not an example of prove-as-test, which theory I haven't seen around for a while, and thought had died out.

He will always be Queens/bridge and tunnel trash to them, yet he desperately craves their acceptance.

i'm comfortable accepting this as the motivation for pretty much everything Trump's ever done

Yabbut stevie's right that it's not a winning message.

"He's sneered at by snobby elites" is a major reason people love him.

This morning on the radio Ben Carson gave Trump's black outreach program an "A." Then he boasted that according to one (not specified) poll Trump's support among African-Americans had actually gone up from 1% to 18%. Yeah, sure, maybe among black republicans.

"You're nuts. This would humanise Trump and make Clinton look like an awful dick to most of the electorate."

excellent reading comprehension, my man!

"Yet the Clinton camp would never go for the gut as he has every time he had the chance… They can't do anything with that, but he would lose his shit for sure."

Um, those sentences don't say the same thing? But thanks for being needlessly charmless as ever!

Idk l thought "they can't do anything with that" made it pretty clear that this was not being offered as a viable course of action...

I thought this was very good: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-s-blood-libel-press-failure

Meanwhile, here's a read:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/09/how-fox-news-women-took-down-roger-ailes.html

A key bit, doing a lot of reconfirmation of what is already guessed/known:

Then came Donald Trump. Kelly’s feud with the GOP nominee was one of the dominant story lines of the presidential election; it also exploded the fragile balance of relationships at the top of Fox News.

According to Fox sources, Murdoch blamed Ailes for laying the groundwork for Trump’s candidacy. Ailes had given Trump, his longtime friend, a weekly call-in segment on Fox & Friends to sound off on political issues. (Trump used Fox News to mainstream the birther conspiracy theory.) Ailes also had lunch with Trump days before he launched his presidential campaign and continued to feed him political advice throughout the primaries, according to sources close to Trump and Ailes. (And in the days after Carlson filed her lawsuit, Trump advised Ailes on navigating the crisis, even recommending a lawyer.)

Murdoch was not a fan of Trump’s and especially did not like his stance on immigration. (The antipathy was mutual: “Murdoch’s been very bad to me,” Trump told me in March.) A few days before the first GOP debate on Fox in August 2015, Murdoch called Ailes at home. “This has gone on long enough,” Murdoch said, according to a person briefed on the conversation. Murdoch told Ailes he wanted Fox’s debate moderators — Kelly, Bret Baier, and Chris Wallace — to hammer Trump on a variety of issues. Ailes, understanding the GOP electorate better than most at that point, likely thought it was a bad idea. “Donald Trump is going to be the Republican nominee,” Ailes told a colleague around this time. But he didn’t fight Murdoch on the debate directive.

"Murdoch's been very bad to me."

Get the fuck out, you disingenuous whiny crybaby turd. Never witnessed a more needlessly petulant adult in my life.

EVERYTHING YOU HAVE IS DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO LUCK. YOU ARE YOUR OWN WORST ENEMY AND YET ARE MIRACULOUSLY NOT LIVING IN A GUTTER AS YOU RIGHTFULLY SHOULD BE. DISPLAY ONE SHRED OF GRATITUDE OR HUMILITY, FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK.

nieto kind of fucked up that opportunity huh

Kurt Eichenwald (Contributing editor, Vanity Fair; senior writer, Newsweek) on Twitter: "Trump's dad died of a form of alzheimer's that hits after 65. Trump is 70. And he and Mexico prez have different accounts of their meeting."

Maybe interviewers just need to start asking him to recount things he said or did publicly the day before and see how much he actually recalls.

but he's the healthiest presidential nominee ever! healthier than samuel j. tilden even!

Tilden had a splendid porn collection iirc

Probably a mistake to use that fact as the cornerstone of his campaign but I've always admired the moxie.

xp lol u know i had to look that up right

HE LIKES 'EM FOXY 'CAUSE HE GOTS MOXIE - Tilden in '76

samuel j tilDONG amirite

http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2013/12/hayes-tilden-P.jpeg

Kurt Eichenwald (Contributing editor, Vanity Fair; senior writer, Newsweek) on Twitter: "Trump's dad died of a form of alzheimer's that hits after 65. Trump is 70. And he and Mexico prez have different accounts of their meeting."

― frogbs, Friday, September 2, 2016 9:31 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

man c'mon fuck this

you looked up webmd, trump is a lair, can i work at vanity fair now

lmao sp

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-staff-idUSKCN1181CV?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has run an unusually cheap campaign in part by not paying at least 10 top staffers, consultants and advisers, some of whom are no longer with the campaign, according to a review of federal campaign finance filings.

Those who have so far not been paid, the filings show, include recently departed campaign manager Paul Manafort, California state director Tim Clark, communications director Michael Caputo and a pair of senior aides who left the campaign in June to immediately go to work for a Trump Super PAC.

that is crazy

even for trump!

classic

man c'mon fuck this

this kind of 'whispering campaign' bullshit has been going on in presidential elections since forever and the republicans have been doing similar stuff against Hillary this year. but, yeah, fuck that crap.

yeah I don't agree that he's suffering from dementia but I want to point out that people are saying it. important people who know things, it's surprising what they say.