I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BOTTOM IS • US presidential elections part VIII

this shit really does infuriate me, Trump and his supporters are constantly complaining that America has gone soft, that nobody can handle criticism anymore, that "safe spaces" are nothing but a punchline and an indictment of how far liberal America has gotten. and yet they're the biggest babies about ever being criticized for anything.

― frogbs, Friday, September 2, 2016 11:42 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No one cries harder than the bully.

particularly liked "Trump is fine with his volunteers disparaging Mike Pence btw. He's not a 'Trump Person.'"

lolol Donald Trump volunteers are signing a lifelong contract never to criticize him

Straying into L. Ron Hubbard territory now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/03/business/presidential-debate-moderators-lester-holt-chris-wallace.html

Lester Holt, Martha Raddatz, Anderson Cooper and Chris Wallace have been selected to moderate this year’s presidential debates, the Commission on Presidential Debates announced on Friday.

Mr. Holt, the anchor of the “NBC Nightly News,” will moderate the first debate on Sept. 26; Ms. Raddatz of ABC and Mr. Cooper of CNN will moderate the town hall debate on Oct. 9; and Mr. Wallace of Fox News will handle the final debate on Oct. 19.

All are first-time presidential debate moderators.

Additionally, the CBS News correspondent Elaine Quijano will moderate the vice-presidential debate on Oct. 4.

record number of vowels in a VP debate moderator's name, iirc

Straying into L. Ron Hubbard territory now.

― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Friday, September 2, 2016 5:41 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Im imagining trumps people getting some sea org contracts and doing a universal replace in word from sea org to trump

This is getting ridiculous. He really is THAT predictable:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-revised-immigration-speech-over-a-tweet

According to a report from the Wall Street Journal, when Trump saw Peña Nieto's tweet, his first thought was of retaliation.

“I have to add back the line that Mexico will pay,” Trump reportedly told the people who were with him when he saw the tweet, arguing that he could not let it go unanswered.

Later that night, in a speech applauded by white nationalists and anti-immigrant groups, he suggested that Peña Nieto would have a change of heart. "They don’t know it yet," he said, "but they’re going to pay for the wall.”

“I had no choice," Trump told the Journal in an interview on Thursday regarding the revision, but said that he liked Peña Nieto "very much."

The NDA is so so stupid. The trump campaign already has a non-existent ground game and now they're scaring away potential volunteers with threats of legal action.

Can you imagine Trump suing people who volunteered for his goddamn campaign?

Yes. Yes, I can imagine that very much.

"My volunteers were very bad to me. Just awful. Sad!"

I can also imagine that, which is sad.

Very sad.

His 'concession' speech is going to be nothing but a blamefest towards all of the pathetic losers who unreasoningly helped him along the way and who probably could've secured the presidency for him if he ever listened to anyone but who really were just awful to him and pulled a total choke job. You're all fired!

is that kind of contract even enforceable for volunteers? i thought there had to be "consideration", i.e. the person signing it has to receive money or something.

I cannot only imagine it, I can also imagine someone creating a squad of volunteers designed to attempt to attract Trump persons' legal attention and action.

stay classy Arizona GOP!

https://thinkprogress.org/arizona-gop-releases-wanted-poster-with-bullet-holes-around-democratic-candidate-s-face-a10e022e64f5#.doqtgfiea

Enh, thats a dumb graphic, but the headline is overreacting. It's about as dumb as attempting to tar her to her Democratic-voting constituents with the current sitting and campaigning Democratic choices.

so the email shit is about to start up again, awesome

Gaby Giffords shooting at the very least makes it in poor taste imo

xp

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrX1GneWcAA6Kzj.jpg:large

I read parts of the FBI 302 - basically confirmed my suspicion that nobody in the state department told her anything about email protocol

she's going to be a one term president with no accomplishments except maybe a couple of supreme court nominations. sad!

Hmmn I see nothing to indicate that Republicans are going to be able to get their sh*t together by 2020 so I'm not sure that's a great bet.

who will survive the bruising 2020 primary between ted cruz and ivanka trump?

I don't think she's gonna have many legislative accomplishments but agree w Alex that it's hard to see the GOP regrouping and reconstituting itself as a national party in time for 2020, esp with Cruz, Rubio and Ryan all taking a second swing w their tired bullshit

looking back at the nominees, i feel like if they'd have nominated anyone except trump, carson, santorum and huckabee they could have beaten her. how the GOP recovers from trump is not clear, but they don't have to recover very much to make such a weakened candidate beatable.

yeah i guess that's where we disagee: cruz and rubio (and kasich and lol jeb!) would both be running a much closer race.

ryan is a joke, granted.

they would be this time around, no argument there, but can you really see Jeb running again in 2020? the party is so fractured, I don't see any milquetoast "centrist" appeasing the base.

no jeb is not going to run. i'm just using him as a placeholder for a "moderate". they don't even need to run a moderate to beat her though. just someone with a shred of political experience would do.

of the last batch, cruz, rubio, fiorina and kasich will all be back for another shot, and all of them could win.

I don't think any of those guys can win, it will have to be someone not tarred by the stink of failure from this cycle (which is why I threw in Ryan, who will def be at front of pack if he can survive as Speaker)

Rubio = incompetent and unaccomplished, Cruz = way too many enemies in the party, Fiorina = just a bad candidate all around, Kasich = too old and out of touch

Problem with all/any of them is that they'll have to go to the presumed Trump audience "Here's why you should follow me now even though you were an idiot for following Trump in the first place." It'll be phrased this way, though: "Trump failed but he had some good ideas and this how I can make them better." Recipe for nobody to like you in the end.

i didn't think fiorina was that bad a canddiate, but the bar isn't "bad", it's "less bad than clinton after 4 years in office", which is going to be a loooooooooooooooow bar.

right the difficulty for all of them is getting out of the meat grinder primary. by doing the worst last time, fiorina may be best positioned for that.

the easy line against Fiorina is "remember how well it worked last time nominating a politically inexperienced leader of failed businesses"

Ryan is the figurehead of the most hated arm of the government, probably won't do him any favors, esp after five years at the helm of pure gridlock xps

she has literally nothing to recommend her beyond her gender and her party affiliation

xp

r five years at the helm of pure gridlock

this is what the GOP wants though. He's their knight in shining armor bulwark against Clintonism!

xp yes and that will be sufficient to beat hillary after 4 years in office!!! it would be enough to beat her now!

Re: Fiorina: also the Cruz alliance/cloning. Plus the fact that her being Ms. Anti-abortion/Planned Parenthood is, I suspect, going to be even less relevant in four years. (Movement conservatism isn't per se dead but it is being smashed into constituent elements; most of the pieces on the subject I've seen lately are desperate dreams about reconstitution that devolves into insane hairsplitting -- here's a perfect example: http://theresurgent.com/three-types-trump-supporters-future-gop-tent/ )

yeah idk I think there's good reasons she didn't catch fire this time around, and it wasn't just cuz Trump was sucking up all the oxygen

Fiorina is remarkably uninspiring. Closest I ever saw to any actual enthusiasm for her came from a clutch of friends of my dad a year ago after, what, the first GOP debate I think? I took it more as them hating everyone else, and never heard about it again.

(My comment there earlier was agreeing more with Shakey than caek.)

i get that there are all sorts of reasons why plausible GOP candidates are compromised in the eyes of primary or general voters. but they are going to nominate ~someone~ and that person doesn't have to be very good to win.

I kinda think that unless the GOP revises their primary rules, we're liable to see yet another 12+ band of nutjobs, none of whom will be able to claim a majority

Fiorina's purpose was to embarrass Trump's anti-woman shit. She works as well as one of her printers.

In general, incumbents are harder to beat. Assuming the economy continues to slooooowly improve, and that Clinton doesn't fuck anything majorly up - and how could she, when she won't get a thing through congress? - why should she be more beatable in four years?

Walker I could see trying to make a deeper run next time. (Note I said trying, not succeeding.)

yeah I was kinda surprised Walker failed so quickly

Assuming the economy continues to slooooowly improve, and that Clinton doesn't fuck anything majorly up

these are massive assumptions fyi

Really, the worst thing that could happen to the GOP would be if they got the idea 'ANYONE could beat her'. That means once again 15+ candidates with a healthy dose of nut jobs in there.