haaaaaaapppppy 50th!
https://twitter.com/tomandlorenzo/status/773863593204936704
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 September 2016 15:41 (eight years ago) link
OK, started working on this today. I promise I'll have it done. With no TOS.
― Jeff, Thursday, 8 September 2016 17:58 (eight years ago) link
ok i will counter with all-TOS
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 September 2016 18:02 (eight years ago) link
oh crap this is due tomorrow?
someone name me 3 episodes of TOS to watch tonight before i hash out my ballot, assume i haven't seen any already except "Balance of Terror" and "City on the Edge of Forever"
― ciderpress, Thursday, 8 September 2016 18:06 (eight years ago) link
(i have seen others but not in 10+ years)
― ciderpress, Thursday, 8 September 2016 18:07 (eight years ago) link
Amok TimePlato's StepchildrenMirror, Mirror
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 September 2016 18:16 (eight years ago) link
HEY! I'VE EXTENDED THE BALLOT SUBMISSION DEADLINE!! To indefinitely!
― write sed fread (Leee), Thursday, 8 September 2016 18:17 (eight years ago) link
indefinitely?
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 September 2016 18:25 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr2a72iUkAArxmL.jpg
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 September 2016 18:38 (eight years ago) link
poll will run until April 5, 2063
― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Thursday, 8 September 2016 18:38 (eight years ago) link
Dropping more Voyager eps in here than I thought I would.
― Jeff, Thursday, 8 September 2016 20:05 (eight years ago) link
Ciderpress - Doomsday Machine is awesome (and on my list) (which I haven't written yet)
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 8 September 2016 21:06 (eight years ago) link
all suggested are good, i will throw in squire of gothos
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 8 September 2016 21:17 (eight years ago) link
totally gonna make deadline btw!
Deadline? What deadline?
I might extend it out a few more weeks just to give myself time to hit the highlights of TOS seasons 2 and 3. (Shakey, should I just look at a certain ahem list that you send me for reference?)
― write sed fread (Leee), Thursday, 8 September 2016 21:26 (eight years ago) link
Go on go on
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 8 September 2016 21:39 (eight years ago) link
well that's what *I* would say but other people have differing opinions. there are probably a handful of others that I think are either generally well-regarded or at least enjoyable via camp ridiculousness : The Immunity Syndrome, The Gamesters of Triskelion, Mudd's Women, I Mudd, etc. I also enjoy the Nazi/gangster/Roman planet ones altho I wouldn't say they are *great* exactly (they certainly established a trope that subsequent series returned to again and again)
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 September 2016 21:40 (eight years ago) link
(xp)
Tholian Web another one I forgot to mention
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 September 2016 21:41 (eight years ago) link
(they certainly established a trope that subsequent series returned to again and again)
fwiw not referring to the "planets with cultures remarkably like 20th Century Earth!" as much as "crew dropped into familiar historical scenario" (i.e. TNG does Robin Hood or Sherlock Holmes or whatever. I have no idea if Voyager or DS9 did this, I suspect Enterprise did but who has time to watch that garbage)
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 September 2016 21:47 (eight years ago) link
yeah def a genre. btw first tng holmes ep is pretty terrible imo but second one (ship in a bottle) is my second-favorite tng ep after darmok (and my favorite screen moriarty?)
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 8 September 2016 21:51 (eight years ago) link
https://scontent.fman2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14199436_10154609630783054_5907774098195355203_n.jpg?oh=45355ed25b606ee50e88cbde5063de47&oe=5885A110
― Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 8 September 2016 22:08 (eight years ago) link
ship in a bottle will be top 5 on my ballot for sure
― ciderpress, Thursday, 8 September 2016 22:24 (eight years ago) link
love picard's closing remarks where he slyly breaks the fourth wall
― ciderpress, Thursday, 8 September 2016 22:28 (eight years ago) link
yes! love also that it is a hardassed kirk solution disguised as a humanitarian picard one.
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Friday, 9 September 2016 06:07 (eight years ago) link
also that the technobabble is diagetic bullshit for a change
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Friday, 9 September 2016 07:09 (eight years ago) link
Ranking today, man these are almost impossible to rank.
― Jeff, Friday, 9 September 2016 14:29 (eight years ago) link
Top 5 are pretty easy, but below that, it's like rating your kids, you love them all in different ways.
Was the deadline actually extended?
― rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Friday, 9 September 2016 14:30 (eight years ago) link
I will get my ballot in by the deadline! Helps that I live in the future (aka Seoul).
― Millsner, Friday, 9 September 2016 14:46 (eight years ago) link
I just watched Yesterday's Enterprise, and it was *quite* as good as I remember, which is flummoxing.
What's deal re: deadline?
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 9 September 2016 14:51 (eight years ago) link
whoops, I mean it wasn't quite as good
I've been going through the TNG episodes I remember as being good + others recommended here - watched "The Game" last night, which was pretty good. Another deus ex machina ending that felt pretty abrupt, which is something I've noticed as a general problem with this series. There's a lot of slow buildup/scene setting and then oh hey problem solved by rerouting the dampeners phase blast coordinates through the temporal circuits or whatever and v little actual resolution/denouement. For ex., in The Game once Data shows up and frees everyone from the game, there's zero discussion of who the aliens behind this plot were or what their motives were or how the game actually worked it was just "hey problem solved! now let's have a scene where Wesley and Ashley Judd kiss THE END"
Still generally a fun episode. I am always down with a chase scene through the Jeffries' tubes.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 9 September 2016 16:54 (eight years ago) link
similar thing happens with the Q episode where the Borg is introduced - crew spends 2/3rds of the episodes freaking out about the Borg when it all boils down to just Picard apologizing to Q in order to get him to snap his fingers and wave everything away in the last 5 minutes. Just a kind of weird pacing.
(speaking of Squire of Gothos upthread - lol that Trelane was retconned into being a member of the Q Continuum)
― Οὖτις, Friday, 9 September 2016 16:56 (eight years ago) link
I can see and acknowledge that as a weakness. And then that's where DS9 started to shine when it had long strings of serialization, you really got that depth in the story.
― Jeff, Friday, 9 September 2016 17:14 (eight years ago) link
Back to my list, I'm struggling at the bottom where I want to include my favorite Bev and O'Brien focused episodes. Like maybe they aren't in my top 20 of all time, but I want to give them proper representation.
― Jeff, Friday, 9 September 2016 17:18 (eight years ago) link
still can't believe they made Sisko into what was basically space jesus but it worked out
― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Friday, 9 September 2016 17:18 (eight years ago) link
Deadline has been extended!!
― write sed fread (Leee), Friday, 9 September 2016 18:45 (eight years ago) link
Submitted. I did good work.
― Jeff, Saturday, 10 September 2016 19:53 (eight years ago) link
How many ballots have been received? Let's make a deadline. Some future stardate.
― Jeff, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:20 (eight years ago) link
watched Darmok last night. V good ep, I appreciated it's economy and it's sort of classic "what if?" conceptual SF story construction. I don't think the language-composed-entirely-of-analogies thing actually makes much sense (seeing as how the analogies were all still composed of conventional grammatical tools - verbs, nouns, etc.) but whatever.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 September 2016 20:47 (eight years ago) link
Damn ok I guess I'm going to have to sit through chaka khan when the walls fell. Already suffered picard playing the nose flute in the inner light.
― dancing jarman by derek (ledge), Monday, 12 September 2016 21:18 (eight years ago) link
in other Star Trek news
https://features.wearemel.com/in-spocks-shadow-71305e8e0d0#.jdbl3w4ny
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 September 2016 21:21 (eight years ago) link
Six so far. :(
OK, I'm setting a hard date: 9/30 11:59pm PST.
― write sed fread (Leee), Monday, 12 September 2016 21:56 (eight years ago) link
I don't think the language-composed-entirely-of-analogies thing actually makes much sense (seeing as how the analogies were all still composed of conventional grammatical tools - verbs, nouns, etc.) but whatever.
the grammatical sentences we hear are meant to be an artifact of the struggling universal translator, right? so there's some unheard ~stream of images~ -- shaka, the walls, a certain time -- expressed according to who knows what rules, which the translator is grasping as images/ideas if not as metaphors and rendering in something like english. it just doesn't know who shaka is.
i could be wrong tho cuz i'm always confused about how the translator works. i mean their lips are always recognizably saying the english words, it never makes any sense. plus i mean that is Quite A Feat for a piece of software to be always performing on the fly w zero data to start with. really everyone should sound like darmok for the first few days.
iirc darmok is one of the first episodes featuring the rad captain jacket picard starts wearing in s5, love that jacket.
i'm a bad egg and did not make the deadline. working on it tho.
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 04:06 (eight years ago) link
I'll do it, promise!
Anyone got any more good TOS/DS9/Voyager (or even Enterprise!) recommendations? Especially anything from DS9 that doesn't spoil the ongoing story.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 11:44 (eight years ago) link
Star Trek 101's Essential Episodes is a good news pace to start. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek_101#.22Ten_Essential_Episodes.22_feature
Some of the DS9 ones are part of the main arc though.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 12:23 (eight years ago) link
I suggest DS9's The Visitor and Far Beyond the Stars. Total one-offs, no arc.
― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 12:33 (eight years ago) link
DS9 Past Tense is a fun 2 parter that's not part of the main arc. Also all the 'let's torture O'Brien' episodes (Whispers, Visionary, Hard Time)
for VOY I particularly liked:Distant OriginLiving Witness The Thaw
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 12:51 (eight years ago) link
I forget if Bride of Chaotica is fun or not. Second The Thaw though.
― write sed fread (Leee), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 15:37 (eight years ago) link