I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BOTTOM IS • US presidential elections part VIII

I am all for gov't re-training programs, welfare/living wages, economic development funding, etc. I am also 100% against mining coal and using it as a source for power and heating.

what about pizza making you do know the best pizzas are made from coal-fired ovens

What about Christmas gifts for bad kids?

but many of these coal country guys claim to not want (and actively vote against) policies that would give them new jobs/skills/financial support so my sympathies are limited in those cases. Don't see why our ecology and economy should be damaged for the sake of people who pine to live in a past that cannot be preserved or perpetuated.

xxp

I would put Paul Ryan in a coal-fired oven.

"what about pizza making you do know the best pizzas are made from coal-fired ovens"

WTF no they aren't. wood fired forever

"outic and akm you guys should check out the libertarian party"

I know what Aleppo is

What about Christmas gifts for bad kids?

^^Speaking of that, I was just in a Spencer's and they a two-way rack of Trump merch a stone's throw away from the dildos.

Don't see why our ecology and economy should be damaged for the sake of people who pine to live in a past that cannot be preserved or perpetuated.

especially a past thats so brutal and an industry that treated them like replaceable parts for as long as it has existed.. that massey energy explosion was in 20 fuckin 10

wood-fired is great but idk coal is the best imo xp

but many of these coal country guys claim to not want (and actively vote against) policies that would give them new jobs/skills/financial support so my sympathies are limited in those cases. Don't see why our ecology and economy should be damaged for the sake of people who pine to live in a past that cannot be preserved or perpetuated.

xxp

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otm

america doesn't cling to guns and religion america clings to guns and toxic smoke and chemicals and CTE.

here, Morbs.

Let us be clear about one thing at the outset. "Red-baiting" is what happened to Dalton Trumbo, and I.F. Stone, and Paul Robeson, and John Stewart Service. It is not red-baiting to point out that Vladimir Putin made his fame (and a lot of his fortune) by being in the KGB and by being smart enough to bail when history showed its teeth.

It is not red-baiting to point out that Putin is clearly an authoritarian white nationalist who is (at the very least) romancing other authoritarian white nationalists around the globe, including in the Netherlands, Great Britain, and in the upper levels of the campaign of the Republican candidate for President of the United States. He's a kleptocrat and a gangster, and he could be far worse than that. Putin, who learned his trade among the departed masters of tradecraft, is monkeying with the 2016 election, and it is not red-baiting to be concerned about it.

Are we supposed to believe that Donald Trump really went on RT television by accident? That nobody on his staff knew that the Russian government's American network picks up Larry King's podcast? Are we supposed to ignore the fact that El Caudillo del Mar-A-Lago—and his trusty sidekick, Pancho Vanilla—have doubled down on their belief that Putin is a better "leader" than the current president of the United States purely on the merits of the argument?

www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a48484/putin-russian-interference-red-baiting/

we're almost at 3,000 posts - time for a new thread

El Caudillo del Mar-A-Lago—and his trusty sidekick, Pancho Vanilla

dying.

Doing the math of retraining coal workers to work in say, solar, instead.

Fracking(and several other reasons) means coal ain't coming back, might as well put people to work doing something more productive and developing a better industry.

Pauncho Vanilla, surely

I need to poll Pierce's nicknames.

key to Pierce's charm (and excellent nicknames) is his reverence for Flann O'Brien

That nobody on his staff knew that the Russian government's American network picks up Larry King's podcast?

Yes, that seems completely believable.

FWIW, Coalfire Pizza here (for example) explicitly uses clean coal.

lol

has it been scrubbed with Dr. Bronner's or something

Organic, grassfed artisan coal.

Reverse-osmosized coal

are you guys confusing coal with charcoal or something

DILUTE DILUTE DILUTE

Well Blow Me Down...: http://www.houstonpress.com/news/john-cornyn-finally-stops-pretending-to-tolerate-ted-cruz-8750238

When asked whether he'd back Cruz or McCaul in such a showdown, Cornyn was impressively diplomatic. He responded that he is “not going to get involved in any primary races, particularly with my colleagues in the Senate."

That may not sound like a big deal, but Cornyn has been in the Senate for 16 years, and is the Majority whip, the highest ranking Texas senator since Lyndon Johnson served more than 50 years ago. Thus, he's got some serious pull in the Senate itself and he has strong ties with GOP donors — and Cruz will not be benefiting from any of that when he has to run to secure his seat in 2018.

The overall poll shown at the top of the thread is now down to 69% vs 30%.

∆ mention of Flann O'Brien did the trick imo

Someone shared this post from David Crosby on Facebook:

So I have not been keeping up here...I'm up in Canada having a blast...shows going well...James has been playing fantastically well and they tell me I'm singing well...lucky us...I'm checking out real estate in case the dummy wins as well...

... he then promptly gets lambasted by a whole legion of baby boomers who are happy to go along to his gigs and sing along with "Ohio" et al and vote Trump.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/A92E/production/_91101334_53b3c1ad-2fdf-4f7f-8418-212b621a2520.jpg

i have to wonder if an uptick is coming for Hillary in the polls. two pollsters with notorious R-lean house effects (Rasmussen and USC) gave Hillary a lead in tehir most recent polls, RAsmussen by 4 points (which would be like closer to like 7 or 8 points in another poll), and USC 1 point (probably more like 4 or 5 in another poll).

just haven't been many recent polls.

i dunno about y'all though but I'm already fatigued in keeping up with this day to day.

don't worry about national polls and concentrate on the electoral math

right, though that's shrinking too, though (state polls etc). though Hillary has a much easier path to 270 than the Orange Orangutan does

Somebody please enlighten me why "basket of deplorables" is offensive.

cos Metallica decided on a much better album title later in 1986 and we've all forgotten it by now

Because she's dividing the nation! It's exactly the same as Romney in 2012, don't you see!?!?! Gaffegaffegaffe. What she said happens to be true, though...

She's saying a segment of the US public is 'deplorable'. Imagine what would happen if Trump called a segment 'rapists' or something like that, I mean, his campaign would be over in a minute.

Reading through the whole of her comments, I agree with Oliver Willis: 'Hillary should apologize. MORE than half of Trump supporters are bigots. Get your numbers right, Clinton.'

And I don't particularly like Oliver Willis, I just follow a lot of different voices on twitter.

don't worry about national polls and concentrate on the electoral math

For what it's worth, Silver always points out--independent of this election; true of all presidential elections--that they move together, with state polls lagging a little behind.

Kinda weird to hear her attacking the public but then again these are the same people who yell "lock her up" and "Trump that bitch" at his rallies

At the end of the day you just gotta deal from strength. Or get crushed every time.

the 47% comment was abad for romney for many reasons, perhaps most important of which he was losing at the time!

i don't buy that this "deplorables" comment is a deliberate gaffe (the language is too ridiculous and pompous for it too have been planned) but it's also unlikely to make a huge difference imo https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/10/who-will-hillary-clintons-basket-of-deplorables-comment-actually-alienate/

but yeah from her POV there are worse things for the TV to be discussing seriously than "are trump supporters racist cranks?", which is one of the outcomes of this

i knew we'd have another 'scare' sometime before the election but i thought it would be an actual trump lead and not just hillary's lead tightening a bit. if this is the worst it gets then i'm not worried.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr9n7FFWIAAcmGj.jpg:large

esp considering that i continue to believe that a. polls are undercounting dem support and b. dem ground game this year will be excellent and rep non-existent. i've already been called half a dozen times in PA by dem organizers asking me to volunteer, or talk to me about the election, and seen registration drives 3-5 times in montgomery county. i haven't seen a single trump presence except one sign at the jersey shore, and maybe 2 bumper stickers. oh, and a couple trump signs at an all white, all male rigger warehouse in chester county.

and i work in one of the most favorable industries for trump - construction + demolition. ppl who you'd think are trump supporters are pretty much just not discussing politics. and these aren't generally modest ppl. if they were hyped they'd be talking trump. all anecdotal obv. also although among orthodox jews there are still outspoken supporters, way more right-wing orthodox jews are refusing to vote for him. so instead of seeing right wingers argue w/ left wingers about politics (and israel mostly, and how BDS is an evil anti-jewish organization), the right wingers are arguing with right wingers who think trump is a monster. it's a nice shift from business as usual.

Means the left-wingers can focus on arguing with each other about Israel