I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BOTTOM IS • US presidential elections part VIII

Herd of elephants, murder of crows, basket of deplorables.

These are known as "terms of venery" by the way and everybody should have the so named wikipedia page bookmarked

I do!

"trump would be the oldest person ever elected to a first term if he won". just read this. is that right?

yeah, apparently Reagan was only 69 when he was elected first term. I always assumed the guy woke up 80 years old so that surprised me too

Hillary would be the second-oldest, right? She'll be 8 months younger than Reagan was

yeah

Trump would certainly be the ugliest President to be elected

clinton leaving the 9/11 memorial because she felt sick isn't going to do anything to help this health truther situation

Clinton gets "overheated" at 9/11 ceremony.

Get ready for the worst week on social media & cable news ever.

god damnit

WaPo has the stories in proper order - Trump's charity foundation is a total sham (sadly, "dog bites man" of course) is at the top, Hillary's overheating at the bottom, but nobody is going to even remember the Trump foundation by Tuesday

is Clinton's support that squishy, that this incident threatens to push likely voters into supporting Trump instead, and enough so that the balance of the election rests on it?

I'd think not?

Dilbro thinks the election is over

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150264994381/the-race-for-president-is-probably-over

way over the top and insane as usual Adams

either way this is gonna be the worst week of media coverage ever

given that today could've definitely been dominated by coverage about how full of shit Trump was on 9/11

Some good polls today tho. Politico had a headline of TIES IN 4 BATTLEGROUND STATES - 2 of which were Arizona and Georgia.

i really don't care if she is terminal; I'll take president kaine

also yeah they can throw this around all they want, it's not going to dent those who are already supporting her. the only things that matter are the battleground states and those are still tilting in her favor. this is just a distraction.

One of our greatest war presidents was in a wheelchair and died in office. Most Americans learn about him in school.

Yeah but did they read about FDRs note from his doctor? I feel like that gets glossed over in most texts.

tbf he hid that he was in wheelchair for most of his term, right? xp

or were we talking about jed bartlett?

tbf he hid that he was in wheelchair for most of his term, right? xp

― beer say hi to me (stevie)

He didn't, although for most pubic events he stood in braces.

election cycle making me want to die
there is a video of Presumably Hillary looking pretty unsteady circulating on twitter btw; i strongly wish 2 die envisaging its promulgation

yeah saw it with her almost falling down getting into the van. doesn't look good. don't think she's dying but all people care about are optics

Remember when dubya choked on a pretzel and died

She's about to be a 69 year old woman who's been criss-crossing the country for nearly 2 years non stop. Illnesses and exhaustion happen. Jeez.

Trump's probably on steroids.

Starting to feel like 2000/2004 Rove- led campaigns, where the strategy is to evoke weakness every time you see the candidate's face. The weekly chipping away. Something Plouffe & Co. knew how to counter in 2008/12, but Clinton feels like she's part of the attack playbook that worked against Gore and (especially) Kerry.

I would think the best thing to hope for right now--quite possible--is that Trump has literally bumped up against his ceiling of support, somewhere between 40-45%. Gary Johnson complicates that: is his current 8 or 9% mostly disaffected Republicans who'd otherwise vote for Trump, or disaffected independents who'd otherwise vote for Clinton?

Also: most Americans are watching football at this moment.

"Hillary got sun stroke, oh well, sucks" from Dems and "Hillary got sun stroke, oh well, sucks, that's why I'm not voting for the old bag" from GOP will be the reaction today when the games end.

Starting to feel like 2000/2004 Rove- led campaigns, where the strategy is to evoke weakness every time you see the candidate's face. The weekly chipping away. Something Plouffe & Co. knew how to counter in 2008/12, but Clinton feels like she's part of the attack playbook that worked against Gore and (especially) Kerry.

― otm in the rain (Eazy), Sunday, September 11, 2016 1:39 PM (nineteen minutes ago)

Wait, a Rove-led campaign to prevent her from getting into her car without stumbling, one shoe falling under the car that had to be collected later? I'm sorry for her health issues (can we say that now or was she just overheated? I live in lower Manhattan and it was a refreshingly cool and breezy morning compared to the heat we had yesterday), but Joe Biden is having the best Sunday of his life.

Nah, it's still a lie.

You say 'issues' plural, just for starters.

When did the right-wingers start circulating rumors of her health and what was the main theory? Just that she was ill? This certainly makes me more curious about something I originally shrugged off as right-wing conspiracy bullshit. It was probably in the 70s when she felt overheated. Not exactly a scorcher.

Either way, this will play into the debates and Trump will use it as fuel, which will be infuriating and exhausting.

Also: most Americans are watching football at this moment.
^^^^^

Something Plouffe & Co. knew how to counter in 2008/12

plouffe & co (all the top obama guys) are all on twitter and do not seem worried. annoyed at the press coverage, but not worried. plouffe doesn't tweet a lot but he keeps repeating basically this: the fundamentals of the race have not changed, trump has little/no path to win, keep organizing and getting out the vote - everything else is noise.

fwiw the right wing started circulating rumors when she slipped and fell causing a concussion in 2012 and had to take some time off - which delayed any possible appearance before congress to answer questions about benghazi.

the conspiracy at the time was that she was obviously fine and faking health issues to get out of answering questions.

now the conspiracy is that she obviously has terrible health issues and is faking being fine.

Plouffe is busy doing for Uber what he did for Obama.

y'all are making me hate "issues" as a word more than I already do

...or at least he was last year.

I'm saying Plouffe & Co. knew how to battle the thing of "associate his face with weakness, etc." - as much as Rove & Co. tried at various points to make his ears a distraction, his slimness a distraction, his "slick dude at the country club" a distraction.

couldn't find a pic of cryingAndrewSullivan gif

Either way, this will play into the debates and Trump will use it as fuel, which will be infuriating and exhausting.

TRUMP FUEL DOESN'T MELT HILLARY BEAMS

another thing going on here is.. older women quite likely to be more sensitive to heat and it's totally normal.. but clinton folks probably don't want the (largely white, male) political press corps and pundits endlessly bloviating about women's health stuff they know nothing about. so they don't want to say that. but to me this is like.. shrug.. i have been prone to occasional dizzy spells when dehydrated my entire life (moreso in hot weather and/or mornings!) and there's nothing wrong with me.

https://twitter.com/Shakestweetz/status/775035105333116931

THANK you.

No book ad today. Remember 9-11 instead.

Wow, Dilbert is special.

Iago would you just like...jump off of a bridge

FFS i almost fainted while drinking beer and celebrating a goal at a soccer match a month ago. Had to resteady myself quickly.

Dehydration is a motherfucker.

the fundamentals of the race have not changed, trump has little/no path to win, keep organizing and getting out the vote - everything else is noise.

this is perfect advice for political activists and no doubt reflects the bedrock truth of the election. ordinary disorganized voters will continue to vote according to the preponderance of their emotions and the media will continue to generate noise for their consumption. this matters, but much less than it appears to matter.

yeah. i trust plouffe opinion on it. what part of the obama coalition is going to switch over to voting trump??? just need to get them out to vote. HRC campaign is very well organized. trump doesn't really have a field operation it seems. pretty much outsourced to the rnc. been wasting time in states he can't win, wasting money with poorly targeted fundraising appeals. at the very least was like $50 million behind hillary in august fundraising totals and furthermore probably spent a lot more to raise it and has way less cash on hand.