I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

Ok guys its ten pm here imma say we can get this one locked by midnight

Can I be the first to say that man alive is a sexist pos?

;)

― schwantz, Monday, September 12, 2016 3:56 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You can say whatever you want, but I literally have no idea which of my post(s) this would have been in response to?

think schwantz was making a sarcastic frederik reference there

Trump really is Hitler. As in literally. They are the same person.

― Frederik B, Monday, September 12, 2016 10:56 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

QED. This is the level of "debate"? As in literally?

Manalivesplainig

man alive, I was responding to a tweet Morbs posted that seemed to say the Clinton foundation was worse than the Trump foundation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orar-V3y5Sk

Sorry man alive - I was referencing what happened in the last thread before we locked it and moved on... Bad joke. I totally agree with you.

"Clinton is down with millennial, the group also fueling Bernie Sanders. But the votes hasn't gone to Jill Stein, as the HuffPo says, but twice as many has gone to Gary Johnson."

Millennials don't know what Aleppo is either

Oh man, punked. I just spent la few minutes sincerely wondering whether I had said something horrible in the midst of my rage spiral.

Ok guys its ten pm here imma say we can get this one locked by midnight

― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Monday, September 12, 2016 5:01 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^

"Clinton is down with millennial, the group also fueling Bernie Sanders. But the votes hasn't gone to Jill Stein, as the HuffPo says, but twice as many has gone to Gary Johnson."

Millennials don't know what Aleppo is either

― akm, Monday, September 12, 2016 4:09 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://theintercept.com/2016/09/08/what-aleppo-is-and-is-not/

As remarkable as that moment was, it was quickly followed by reports on Johnson’s cluelessness that included basic errors about who was fighting in the city and why the tragedy there matters to the rest of the world.

Taken together, those error-strewn reports suggest that American journalists and pundits have become so completely focused on the horse-race aspect of electoral politics that they are paying almost no attention to the biggest foreign policy crisis that will face the next president.

The tone was set by Christopher Hill, a former United States ambassador to Iraq who is now the dean of international studies at the University of Denver.

Asked by MSNBC for his response, Hill wrongly identified Aleppo as “the capital of ISIS,” apparently confusing it with Raqqa, another city in northern Syria that is held by Islamic State militants. Hill’s error baffled Jenan Moussa, who has reported on the war in Syria for Dubai’s Al Aan TV.

To make matters worse, Hill went on to complain that while there are a lot of “inside baseball” terms familiar to foreign policy experts like himself that he would not expect many people to know, it was remarkable for Johnson to draw a blank on a city that has been “very much in the news, especially in the last two days, but for the last two years.”

The Washington bureau of the New York Times then added to the confusion by rushing to publish a report on the reaction to Johnson’s ignorance that echoed Hill’s error by calling Aleppo “the de facto capital of the Islamic State.”

When that obvious mistake was spotted by readers — and, no doubt, the newspaper’s own foreign correspondents — the Times report was first edited to insert a new but still incorrect description of Aleppo as “the Syrian city that is a stronghold of the Islamic State.” That description was later removed, and a correction appended, but the article still includes a mistaken summary of Barnicle’s explanation to Johnson of why Aleppo matters.

Barnicle told Johnson that Aleppo is “the epicenter of the refugee crisis,” which is correct, since fighting in what was before the war the most heavily populated region of Syria, and its economic heartland, has driven millions of Syrians to seek refuge in neighboring countries and Europe. Barnicle did not, as the Times reports, ask Johnson “how, as president, he would address the refugee crisis in the war-torn Syrian city.”

Rather than deal with the question of how, exactly, the United States might help to bring this conflict to an end — which it has fueled by supporting rebel groups allied with al Qaeda’s proxy — political reporters covered Johnson’s blank stare as a process story, asking how his gaffe might affect his chances of getting into the upcoming presidential debates.

Here's that original quote from Jay Rosen about savviness:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/60411

And related to something he wrote four years ago that shockingly comes up again and again:

http://pressthink.org/2012/08/everything-thats-wrong-with-political-journalism-in-one-washington-post-item/

One camp, represented for the moment by Aaron Blake of The Fix, has drifted into a state of low grade nihilism in which complaining about truth, accuracy, fairness and missing context is beside the point because those very complaints have become another way of doing politics. Both sides pretend to get all worked up about it. Both sides rely on misleading claims when it’s convenient for them. Observing this, a smart reporter like Blake can’t fall for any of it. He stands between warring camps, reminding each side that they too are sinners. Here, “both sides” is a kind of magic phrase, putting partisans in their place and clearing the ground for the journalist to come in and settle matters.

lol Pence refusing to call David Duke "deplorable"

so brave of him

i wonder if in his wildest dreams Duke ever thought 2016 would be his year to shine

does anyone have any trump porn

I think we've been watching it for months, live.

A person recovering from pneumonia wouldn't be feeling GREAT the day after.

The funny thing is, a person recovering from pneumonia might very well feel great the next day. When I had it they gave me this magic horse pill antibiotic and it worked like gangbusters. Like felt better in a day or two. If you don't start feeling better, then that's when you worry.

Chait wrote a worthwhile thing, laughing at the NYT public editor dismissing "false equivalence"

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/09/times-writes-disastrous-defense-of-false-equivalence.html

odd thing, i can't seem to find a lot of footage from within a trump rally shot from the crowd. do they not allow filming that much? basically everything i find is via a media source of some kind and is generally just a reposted version of the official feed

trump going all in on this "deplorables" stuff. doesn't seem like a winner to me.

Well, it might not win the election, but Trump is a massive racist/sexist himself, so of course he's all in on respect for the deplorables.

xpost
not a winner for the election, but highlighting it does position him to be king of the disaffected afterward. not only did hillary defeat trump, but she also insulted them along the way. tune into trumptv for more

It's really weird that everyone just agrees Hillary was bad for insulting 'millions' of Americans. So there's, like, less than a million racists? That's 0,3% of the population. There's no fucking country with less than 0,3% racists.

xpost to self, i should say CONTINUE to be king of the disaffected after the election. that's already his thing. so might as well play it up before he actually loses

It's really weird that everyone just agrees Hillary was bad for insulting 'millions' of Americans. So there's, like, less than a million racists? That's 0,3% of the population. There's no fucking country with less than 0,3% racists.

― Frederik B, Monday, September 12, 2016 11:52 PM (three minutes ago)

"everyone just agrees" except for all the ppl who pointed out that she was right?

Well, in the media. And it's not to defend Clinton. It's fucked up depressing racism is still tabu, after Trump based his entire campaign on it.

How is Trump racist? I never heard a compelling argument.

("Illegal immigrant" isn't a race, btw)

you're right, we've generalized.

How is Trump racist?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-governments-racial-bias-case-against-donald-trumps-company-and-how-he-fought-it/2016/01/23/fb90163e-bfbe-11e5-bcda-62a36b394160_story.html

NEW YORK — When a black woman asked to rent an apartment in a Brooklyn complex managed by Donald Trump’s real estate company, she said she was told that nothing was available. A short time later, a white woman who made the same request was invited to choose between two available apartments.

The two would-be renters on that July 1972 day were actually undercover “testers” for a ­government-sanctioned investigation to determine whether Trump Management Inc. discriminated against minorities seeking housing at properties across Brooklyn and Queens.

Federal investigators also gathered evidence. Trump employees had secretly marked the applications of minorities with codes, such as “No. 9” and “C” for “colored,” according to government interview accounts filed in federal court. The employees allegedly directed blacks and Puerto Ricans away from buildings with mostly white tenants, and steered them toward properties that had many minorities, the government filings alleged.

In October 1973, the Justice Department filed a civil rights case that accused the Trump firm, whose complexes contained 14,000 apartments, of violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968.

but maybe blacks and puerto ricans are also not races

He also said he didn't want "black guys" counting his money but wanted "Jews in little hats."

The only way to not know all this is to either a) have read nothing since last April or b) be pretending not to for reasons of one's own.

He's been punished for housing discrimination against african-americans, he called mexicans rapists, he said a mexican judge couldn't be impartial, he wants to ban muslims from entering the us, he pushed the birther conspiracy, he attacked a muslim woman for being silenced by her husband, he took out an add portraying native americans as drug addicts, he called for the death penalty for the central park five, doubled down after they were relased, he refused to condemn david duke, he called for the bombing of the innocent families of terror suspects, he said that he hated having black accountants...

he wasn't even a Mexican judge!

No, you're absolutely right! My bad.

But OTOH he likes taco salad, so...

in Trump's America "deplorable" will be a protected class

his highlighting the deplorable stuff gins up the people who go to his rallies, which is about the extent of his strategic horizon, because he lives off endorphins and social shares.

but it's also amplifying a charge about him that is perhaps the single one most likely to give the "moderates"/"independents" who supposedly decide elections the vapors.

love how the media is taking trump's bait and reporting on the pneumonia as if it is somehow revelatory of a "tranparency" problem on the part of clinton. great job.

To be fair I don't think trump has said much about the pneumonia. I attribute that to strategic incompetence rather than decency.

he laid the seeds by stoking all this health conspiracy stuff. if that wasn't in the air this wouldn't be seen as a scandal. it would be seen as a 68 year old with pneumonia having a hard time in the heat one day.

no one seriously cares how frail hillary is physically. she is obviously more than mentally tough enough to be president. this is all concern trolling nonsense.

reporting on the pneumonia as if it is somehow revelatory of a "tranparency" problem on the part of clinton.

uhhh David fucking Axelrod's twitter indicated he thought it was such a problem also

btw it was 80 degrees w/ low humidity here on Sunday morning

today not yesterday bro

it was hot yesterday. it was humid.

she was wearing a bulletproof vest under a navy suit.

also the NY Times has run several in-depth pieces on Trump's sordid history -- i've read a few -- so i don't quite get how they're in the tank for him.

not at 9:30a.m. xxp

if that wasn't in the air this wouldn't be seen as a scandal. it would be seen as a 68 year old with pneumonia having a hard time in the heat one day.

idk, Dole in 96 or McCain in 08 weren't much older than Clinton is now - if one of them had been filmed collapsing and then being bundled into a car, and then their campaign had to announce that they had been diagnosed with pneumonia a couple of days earlier it seems like that would have been a story? if not to the same extent as what we're getting now, maybe.