I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

TBH I'm not sure there is much separation between her foreign policy agenda and the neocon foreign policy agenda.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive),

Let's say that the neocon agenda is closer to hers than Trump's.

since MSM is treating Trump like a normal person and nothing means anything anymore Clinton should just start going ham. WGAF. neither candidate is going to budge any voters at this point.

unless the MSM can scare some wavering idiot into thinking HRC is just so very frail

Though if some very smart, beautiful people start talking about the wisdom of neocon foreign policy that might not be the case anymore.

A president Trump would probably have the foreign policy agenda of whoever butters his ego the best.

we had this discussion on the what is fascism and is trump one thread, I think

Thread of What Is Fascism And Is Donald Trump A Fascist

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I think the "whomever butters his ego the best" is astute, sadly. And it also means he'll walk right into rope-a-dope maneuvers by any regime with a nickel's worth of statecraft knowhow

eisenhower smoked 4 packs a day!

Also said to have slept with his secretary, nbd

roosevelt was banging his secretary the whole time too. he left her in his fucking will.

the "banging" was the wheelchair against the wall iirc

A president Trump would probably have the foreign policy agenda of whoever butters his ego the best.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:54 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Best but also last and also loudest. Someone may stroke his ego just right and get him to sway in a particular direction but then someone else may do the same later and get him to sway in a whole new direction but then he may walk in front of a crowd baying for blood and get a rush from agreeing that bloodletting is a good idea.

Ok can someone please explain: did Pepe actually become "almost exclusively" a symbol of the alt-right some time in the last year without me noticing or is this just the Clinton campaign not really getting how the internet works?

the latter is true generally but it's the former mostly

That's fucking weird. I thought it was just a general symbol of internet loserdom.

That is not a contradiction

incel uprising innit

it makes sense to me that internet losers and white supremacists have some overlap and might use the same memes. It doesn't make sense to me that white supremacists somehow "co-opted" pepe into an exclusively white supremacist symbol, which is what the Clinton campaign claims.

4chan types just happen to be both loser nerds and white supremacists at the same time

I'm just finding it hard to see any angle from which the Clinton campaign going after pepe the frog does anything other than make them look really silly.

Like this whole "trust us, it may seem like a cartoon but it's actually really disturbing that Donald Trump retweeted an image of pepe the frog" even if that was true it's never going to sound anything but laughable or at best baffling to most people.

most people have never heard of pepe the frog, and trump has spent a year retweeting weird alt-right stuff, so it's possible a lot of people won't look into it much more than that. it's also not likely to make the slightest difference in the outcome of the election.

if anything the fact that fucking milo is on it is more significant and he's an actual awful human being

I keep picturing some retired couple at the kitchen table being like "What, he 're-tweeted' an image of 'Pepe Frog'?! Huh?!"

"Well my question is, how can a bird explain what a pet frog even looks like, much less twice?"

james fallows wrote a pretty good (and long) preview of what to expect in the debates http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/10/who-will-win/497561/

breaking: Dat Boi just endorsed Hillary

oh shit

http://i.imgur.com/sYKkgOz.png

what the fuck does the obama administration think it's doing? don't they know this is extraordinarily inconvenient for a lot of ppl's political beliefs??

sorry big

image posted bigly

only 58% approval rating too . what a loser. sad!

50% iirc

up to 58 percent in the poll I saw yesterday: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/12/barack-obamas-soaring-approval-numbers-are-very-good-news-for-hillary-clinton/

oh, i was going by gallup:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/presidential-job-approval-center.aspx

but yeah, even by gallup (where he topped out at 53% in late July and is now back to hovering around 50%) he's doing better than he has since late 2012/early 2013

+bennies he also helped with bennies

that ppl continue to vote republican despite the economy consistently doing better under democratic presidents is evidence that humans don't even really have functioning pavlovian instincts

(or that economic health is too abstractly related to political power for ppl to learn)

james fallows wrote a pretty good (and long) preview of what to expect in the debates http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/10/who-will-win/497561/

― marcos, Tuesday, September 13, 2016 1:19 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is really good and taps into the reason why the GOP is so broken right now - they worried so much about alienating the Trump base that they accidentally let him win the whole thing.

one of the great mysteries of this election to me is that hrc is distrusted, disliked, dishonored by so many, while obama remains broadly popular, when clinton is, as far as I can see, about as close to a "third term of the incumbent" candidate as we've had in my life. who are the people who would happily vote for obama again but won't pull the lever for clinton?

ultimately i don't think there there are a ton of those people

oh I've got progressive friends who hate him too, don't worry

people loved reagan but bush sr not so much

can't think of a single person who loved Poppy Bush except maybe Barbara.

"that ppl continue to vote republican despite the economy consistently doing better under democratic presidents is evidence that humans don't even really have functioning pavlovian instincts"

I know, but I think there is some truth to the concept that the economy is only doing better for certain demographics, namely, educated, upper middle class people. Those aren't the ones who vote republican. YOu have vast swaths of people in the country for whom the economy is not doing better, beause they worked in jobs that didn't require so much education in the past; they worked for the coal industry; they worked for other things that are becoming obsolete. Those make up a big republican constituency and they think the economy is a mess.

(not that their solutions for that are any good or make any sense)

clinton is, as far as I can see, about as close to a "third term of the incumbent" candidate as we've had in my life

And it is simultaneously a time in which most people say they think the country is on the wrong track and want change. So like maybe there is a clump of people who think Obama has done an okay job, while simultaneously feeling either (A) an inchoate distaste for "business as usual" or (B) an active desire for something different, even if it is a roll of the dice.

For example I like my wife fine. Her approval ratings hover in the mid-60s. But sheesh it's been like 10 years and I wouldn't mind seeing what else is out there.

nice

Mordy:

- median income still lower than 2007
- highest gains went to highest earners
- "Across the entire bottom 60 percent of the distribution, households are taking home a smaller slice of the pie than they did in the 1960s and 1970s."

these aren't 'beliefs' - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/business/economy/americas-inequality-problem-real-income-gains-are-brief-and-hard-to-find.html

For example I like my wife fine. Her approval ratings hover in the mid-60s. But sheesh it's been like 10 years and I wouldn't mind seeing what else is out there.

I suspect yr approval ratings just tanked fwiw