I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

up to 58 percent in the poll I saw yesterday: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/12/barack-obamas-soaring-approval-numbers-are-very-good-news-for-hillary-clinton/

oh, i was going by gallup:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/presidential-job-approval-center.aspx

but yeah, even by gallup (where he topped out at 53% in late July and is now back to hovering around 50%) he's doing better than he has since late 2012/early 2013

+bennies he also helped with bennies

that ppl continue to vote republican despite the economy consistently doing better under democratic presidents is evidence that humans don't even really have functioning pavlovian instincts

(or that economic health is too abstractly related to political power for ppl to learn)

james fallows wrote a pretty good (and long) preview of what to expect in the debates http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/10/who-will-win/497561/

― marcos, Tuesday, September 13, 2016 1:19 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is really good and taps into the reason why the GOP is so broken right now - they worried so much about alienating the Trump base that they accidentally let him win the whole thing.

one of the great mysteries of this election to me is that hrc is distrusted, disliked, dishonored by so many, while obama remains broadly popular, when clinton is, as far as I can see, about as close to a "third term of the incumbent" candidate as we've had in my life. who are the people who would happily vote for obama again but won't pull the lever for clinton?

ultimately i don't think there there are a ton of those people

oh I've got progressive friends who hate him too, don't worry

people loved reagan but bush sr not so much

can't think of a single person who loved Poppy Bush except maybe Barbara.

"that ppl continue to vote republican despite the economy consistently doing better under democratic presidents is evidence that humans don't even really have functioning pavlovian instincts"

I know, but I think there is some truth to the concept that the economy is only doing better for certain demographics, namely, educated, upper middle class people. Those aren't the ones who vote republican. YOu have vast swaths of people in the country for whom the economy is not doing better, beause they worked in jobs that didn't require so much education in the past; they worked for the coal industry; they worked for other things that are becoming obsolete. Those make up a big republican constituency and they think the economy is a mess.

(not that their solutions for that are any good or make any sense)

clinton is, as far as I can see, about as close to a "third term of the incumbent" candidate as we've had in my life

And it is simultaneously a time in which most people say they think the country is on the wrong track and want change. So like maybe there is a clump of people who think Obama has done an okay job, while simultaneously feeling either (A) an inchoate distaste for "business as usual" or (B) an active desire for something different, even if it is a roll of the dice.

For example I like my wife fine. Her approval ratings hover in the mid-60s. But sheesh it's been like 10 years and I wouldn't mind seeing what else is out there.

nice

Mordy:

- median income still lower than 2007
- highest gains went to highest earners
- "Across the entire bottom 60 percent of the distribution, households are taking home a smaller slice of the pie than they did in the 1960s and 1970s."

these aren't 'beliefs' - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/business/economy/americas-inequality-problem-real-income-gains-are-brief-and-hard-to-find.html

For example I like my wife fine. Her approval ratings hover in the mid-60s. But sheesh it's been like 10 years and I wouldn't mind seeing what else is out there.

I suspect yr approval ratings just tanked fwiw

one of the great mysteries of this election to me is that hrc is distrusted, disliked, dishonored by so many, while obama remains broadly popular, when clinton is, as far as I can see, about as close to a "third term of the incumbent" candidate as we've had in my life. who are the people who would happily vote for obama again but won't pull the lever for clinton?

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:00 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

misogyny

For example I like my wife fine. Her approval ratings hover in the mid-60s. But sheesh it's been like 10 years and I wouldn't mind seeing what else is out there.

― there is water at the bottom of the ocean (Ye Mad Puffin),

try an intern

Mitt has some binders that might come in handy iirc

one of the great mysteries of this election to me is that hrc is distrusted, disliked, dishonored by so many, while obama remains broadly popular, when clinton is, as far as I can see, about as close to a "third term of the incumbent" candidate as we've had in my life. who are the people who would happily vote for obama again but won't pull the lever for clinton?

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:00 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

misogyny

― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, September 13, 2016 2:20 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It might have something to do with how hard she worked to distinguish herself from Obama and place herself to the right of him during an election many of us still remember? Or perhaps her record of being more hawkish than Obama as secretary of state?

Or it's misogyny

Michelle Obama wasn't president for 8 years in the 90s

hawkishness ('interventionism' for the sake of accuracy) that ppl really don't seem to care at all about in men they find despicable in hillary which is maybe not entirely disconnected from her gender

i think if bill were running right now instead of hillary he'd be doing very well xp

a country that got its start by rejecting monarchy still feels weird about letting one family control the world for decades at a time, mystery solved

lol get one American history book

like i said, i think bill would not be facing these problems such as they are. and i think he's a much more flawed candidate than hillary not least bc he'd be running against his own record. xp

family dynasties have ruled this country repeatedly since its inception

xp

hawkishness ('interventionism' for the sake of accuracy) that ppl really don't seem to care at all about in men they find despicable in hillary which is maybe not entirely disconnected from her gender

― Mordy, Tuesday, September 13, 2016 2:41 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is kind of an obtuse comment to make in reference to a comment about the *male* president whose administration she was in being *less* hawkish.

a country that got its start by rejecting monarchy still feels weird about letting one family control the world for decades at a time, mystery solved

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, September 13, 2016 2:42 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

john quincy adams was the sixth president

not really - there are other men to compare her against besides obama who seem to have suffered not at all for their hawkishness. like biden, or kaine, both of whom it's not hard to imagine doing better than hillary against trump despite being more right-wing than hillary. you need to believe it's about the right-wingedness bc you want to believe that this country really wants a left-winger and not just dislikes women. xp

No, I was giving an example of one of the myriad ways in which Hillary is not really going to be a "third-term Obama."

like if anything she probably calculated correctly that without seeming gung ho on foreign affairs she couldn't even get her foot in the door. if you asked me if americans prefer more bombing other countries or not bombing other countries i'd bet that a majority would prefer to bomb other countries.

Justice for Agrabah

That seems to be the convenient excuse for absolutely any policy Hillary has that people disagree with "Well she's a woman so she has to be even more ___." The secret leftist who has to pretend to be a foreign policy neocon in order to not get woman-bashed.

well u kno convenience is v important

everything about HRC's entire life says she's a late cold war consensus neoliberal in all the good and bad that inheres to that.

perhaps the sexism is there in how she's treated as some kind of mystery. a lot of people would love to be the one to explain it all to you.

my former congressman, ladies and gents:

Joe Garcia, the former Miami Democratic congressman running for his old seat, told supporters in a candid moment over the weekend that Hillary Clinton “is under no illusions that you want to have sex with her, or that she’s going to seduce you.”

Unknown to Garcia, one of his “supporters” was really a tracker — a political campaign spy — secretly recording him as he spoke informally at a Key West Democratic campaign office opening Saturday. Yes, there’s video.

Late Tuesday, after the Miami Herald obtained the video and he initially tried to explain himself, Garcia apologized for his remarks.

The video — recorded upside down as if a cellphone was in the tracker’s hand — showed Garcia standing in an office hallway with a few other men, apparently before Garcia was scheduled to address the full crowd. Clinton signs decorate some of the walls.

“I believe that we’re going to have — I’ll mention it when I speak — I believe we’re about to see the most consequential presidency that we’ve seen since Lyndon Johnson,” Garcia said on the recording. “This is not because I think Hillary Clinton is the greatest ever. But I do believe she is extremely, exceedingly competent, and she — I know this is going to sound weird to you, but to me, as somebody who studies history, she’s going to be very similar to Lyndon Johnson.

“Lyndon Johnson wasn’t a particularly charming man, wasn’t a particularly nice man: He would ask you nice, and then when you didn’t do it, he made you do it,” Garcia continued. “And Hillary is under no illusions that you want to have sex with her, or that she’s going to seduce you, or out-think you.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article101588597.html#storylink=cpy

Hillary is under no illusions that you want to have sex with her

too late for new thread title?

definitely not. this thread is a mess already. start fresh.

don't confuse Mordy w/ facts, Tracer

lol u dumbass u didn't even read tracer's link which opens with

Working families finally got a raise.

Early on Tuesday, the Census Bureau provided some long-awaited good news for the beleaguered working class: The income of the typical American household perched on the middle rung of the income ladder increased a hearty 5.2 percent in 2015, the first real increase since 2007, the year before the economy sank into recession.

Households all the way down the income scale made more money last year. The average incomes of the poorest fifth of the population increased 6.6 percent after three consecutive years of decline. And the official poverty rate declined to 13.5 percent from 14.8 percent in 2014, the sharpest decline since the late 1960s.

before putting the brakes on unbridled celebration. but this is clearly good news.

“But I do believe she is extremely, exceedingly competent, and she — I know this is going to sound weird to you, but to me, as somebody who studies history, she’s going to be very similar to Lyndon Johnson."

wonder if we'll be getting medicare LBJ or gulf of tonkin LBJ

after Sunday it looks like we're getting "gall bladder scar" LBJ

Get you a president can do both?

odds are good i am going to be an unemployed, unhireable charity case in a year or less, Mordy, so you can resume yr unbridled haves > have-nots party

hawkishness ('interventionism' for the sake of accuracy)

and plz get droned

lol don't let any info penetrate that bubble Morbz