I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

hawkishness ('interventionism' for the sake of accuracy) that ppl really don't seem to care at all about in men they find despicable in hillary which is maybe not entirely disconnected from her gender

― Mordy, Tuesday, September 13, 2016 2:41 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is kind of an obtuse comment to make in reference to a comment about the *male* president whose administration she was in being *less* hawkish.

a country that got its start by rejecting monarchy still feels weird about letting one family control the world for decades at a time, mystery solved

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, September 13, 2016 2:42 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

john quincy adams was the sixth president

not really - there are other men to compare her against besides obama who seem to have suffered not at all for their hawkishness. like biden, or kaine, both of whom it's not hard to imagine doing better than hillary against trump despite being more right-wing than hillary. you need to believe it's about the right-wingedness bc you want to believe that this country really wants a left-winger and not just dislikes women. xp

No, I was giving an example of one of the myriad ways in which Hillary is not really going to be a "third-term Obama."

like if anything she probably calculated correctly that without seeming gung ho on foreign affairs she couldn't even get her foot in the door. if you asked me if americans prefer more bombing other countries or not bombing other countries i'd bet that a majority would prefer to bomb other countries.

Justice for Agrabah

That seems to be the convenient excuse for absolutely any policy Hillary has that people disagree with "Well she's a woman so she has to be even more ___." The secret leftist who has to pretend to be a foreign policy neocon in order to not get woman-bashed.

well u kno convenience is v important

everything about HRC's entire life says she's a late cold war consensus neoliberal in all the good and bad that inheres to that.

perhaps the sexism is there in how she's treated as some kind of mystery. a lot of people would love to be the one to explain it all to you.

my former congressman, ladies and gents:

Joe Garcia, the former Miami Democratic congressman running for his old seat, told supporters in a candid moment over the weekend that Hillary Clinton “is under no illusions that you want to have sex with her, or that she’s going to seduce you.”

Unknown to Garcia, one of his “supporters” was really a tracker — a political campaign spy — secretly recording him as he spoke informally at a Key West Democratic campaign office opening Saturday. Yes, there’s video.

Late Tuesday, after the Miami Herald obtained the video and he initially tried to explain himself, Garcia apologized for his remarks.

The video — recorded upside down as if a cellphone was in the tracker’s hand — showed Garcia standing in an office hallway with a few other men, apparently before Garcia was scheduled to address the full crowd. Clinton signs decorate some of the walls.

“I believe that we’re going to have — I’ll mention it when I speak — I believe we’re about to see the most consequential presidency that we’ve seen since Lyndon Johnson,” Garcia said on the recording. “This is not because I think Hillary Clinton is the greatest ever. But I do believe she is extremely, exceedingly competent, and she — I know this is going to sound weird to you, but to me, as somebody who studies history, she’s going to be very similar to Lyndon Johnson.

“Lyndon Johnson wasn’t a particularly charming man, wasn’t a particularly nice man: He would ask you nice, and then when you didn’t do it, he made you do it,” Garcia continued. “And Hillary is under no illusions that you want to have sex with her, or that she’s going to seduce you, or out-think you.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article101588597.html#storylink=cpy

Hillary is under no illusions that you want to have sex with her

too late for new thread title?

definitely not. this thread is a mess already. start fresh.

don't confuse Mordy w/ facts, Tracer

lol u dumbass u didn't even read tracer's link which opens with

Working families finally got a raise.

Early on Tuesday, the Census Bureau provided some long-awaited good news for the beleaguered working class: The income of the typical American household perched on the middle rung of the income ladder increased a hearty 5.2 percent in 2015, the first real increase since 2007, the year before the economy sank into recession.

Households all the way down the income scale made more money last year. The average incomes of the poorest fifth of the population increased 6.6 percent after three consecutive years of decline. And the official poverty rate declined to 13.5 percent from 14.8 percent in 2014, the sharpest decline since the late 1960s.

before putting the brakes on unbridled celebration. but this is clearly good news.

“But I do believe she is extremely, exceedingly competent, and she — I know this is going to sound weird to you, but to me, as somebody who studies history, she’s going to be very similar to Lyndon Johnson."

wonder if we'll be getting medicare LBJ or gulf of tonkin LBJ

after Sunday it looks like we're getting "gall bladder scar" LBJ

Get you a president can do both?

odds are good i am going to be an unemployed, unhireable charity case in a year or less, Mordy, so you can resume yr unbridled haves > have-nots party

hawkishness ('interventionism' for the sake of accuracy)

and plz get droned

lol don't let any info penetrate that bubble Morbz

mordy got dronezoned

you can stfu Shakey; I absorb info faster than cancer drugs. I also p much don't give a shit about jobs except mine, as most of them will be obsolete in a decade or two, and then what a marvelous civil war might coincide with the Extinction Event.

Just gonna go put on my happy music now

and by happy music I mean this tweet

https://twitter.com/DanQuayle2016/status/637449562479853568

like if anything she probably calculated correctly that without seeming gung ho on foreign affairs she couldn't even get her foot in the door. if you asked me if americans prefer more bombing other countries or not bombing other countries i'd bet that a majority would prefer to bomb other countries.

Bombing other countries may appeal to the majority's lizard brain (and that's definitely a factor in this election), but I think a majority has become much more wary of intervening in other countries without an understandable resolution in sight, and without certainty of the consequences. I don't think Clinton's tipping vote on Libya was based on appealing to sexists, afaik people weren't even aware of her significance in the final decision until Libya was in chaos. I don't see her as a bloodthirsty warmonger, her reasoning of her more hawkish actions is generally understandable and defensible, but she consistently underestimates the chances of things going to shit.

i was about to ask why Hillary's campaign isn't sending out Biden to talk mad shit on Trump while she's sick, but then I checked and he just challenged Trump to go jogging with him. Amp it up a little, Joe.

lol that is so joe

uhhhh

http://i.imgur.com/RPqdG0Z.jpg

that third tweet has been deleted? to "avoid confusion." don't leave us thirsty kurt

@JimPethokoukis
"This is the first statistically significant annual increase [in real median household income] since 2007" - IHS Global

and man, that one sure led to memorable things

cool, can't wait to introduce stigmas about mental illness to this awesome campaign

we really need to cover the waterfront on stigmatizing illness in general

Andrew Rafferty
‏@AndrewNBCNews
.@davidplouffe just told @chucktodd Trump is the heaviest presidential candidate since William Taft

oh cool

Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin said conservatives may need to turn to physical violence in order to protect the United States against contemporary liberalism.

The Republican governor put forth the controversial suggestion after speaking of the “degradation of society” during an impassioned, 15-minute speech at the Values Voter Summit in Washington, D.C., on Saturday. The provocative comments started to gain national attention at the start of this week.

“America is worth fighting for ideologically. I want us to be able to fight ideologically, mentally, spiritually, economically, so that we don’t have to do it physically. But that may, in fact, be the case,” he told the crowd.

Bevin suggested that if Democrat Hillary Clinton were elected president, she would set the nation on a dangerous course that might require bloodshed to correct. He told the audience that the “candle” of liberty might go out “on our watch.”

To hammer home his point, he paraphrased a famous quote from Founding Father Thomas Jefferson: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

“Whose blood will be shed? It may be that of those in this room. It might be that of our children and grandchildren. I have nine children,” he said. “It breaks my heart to think that it might be their blood that is needed to redeem something, to reclaim something that we, through our apathy and our indifference, have given away. Don’t let it happen.”

XP Only grilled KFC from here on out.

who talks about their fucking kids like this

"hey, junior might need to water the tree of liberty with your blood, can you spare a few pints"

fucking psychos

i think a lot of this bullshit is related to (stupid) people's childish need for excitement all the god damn fucking time. why are these conservatives so averse to being good stewards of the earth and society? even when one gets into a real position of power -- fucking governor -- he fantasizes about being mel gibson in the patriot instead.

He's got nine kids! Who'll miss one or three if it keeps that liberty tree goin'?

think that was a Pat Buchanan go-to quote

just found some important information about watering trees with blood:

http://menstrual-cups.livejournal.com/2102366.html

i think a lot of this bullshit is related to (stupid) people's childish need for excitement all the god damn fucking time. why are these conservatives so averse to being good stewards of the earth and society? even when one gets into a real position of power -- fucking governor -- he fantasizes about being mel gibson in the patriot instead.

^god, this. is it possible that at least some of these guys ever get embarrassed by this shit? or is business just too good?

i'm sure he's just saying what he actually believes

i'm sure he's just saying what he actually believes

I agree. He's sincere about his anguish over the civil war he imagines is coming. What bears examining is what his beliefs are based on.

It is no accident that Armageddon is envisioned as a literal armed battle. For believers, only massive bloodshed can cleanse away the sins of the world. Very likely he is projecting a similar mindset onto what he thinks of as "God's country" and its sins against God's laws. It is a mistake to discount how powerful an effect this mythology has on millions of Americans. It is totally real to them.

tribalism taken the logical next level - killing each other!

i think a lot of this bullshit is related to (stupid) people's childish need for excitement all the god damn fucking time. why are these conservatives so averse to being good stewards of the earth and society? even when one gets into a real position of power -- fucking governor -- he fantasizes about being mel gibson in the patriot instead.

― Treeship, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 23:08 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There is no doubt that these are the stanzas of a madman the likes of whom it horrifies one to think of as the recipient of high public office, but let's all be clear-eyed and brave in front of any gods or holies we each hold dear and sacred when we declare that the claim that the threat our side is facing today, or this week, year or election cycle is the worst ever faced and will drag all progress with it if given an inch is a claim that the left makes as easily, as untruthfully and as wildly as the right.

yeah no as much as the Left hated Bush or the idea of Palin I honestly don't remember this rhetoric about some sort of civil/ holy war.

Yeah no obv the left will not couch it in the terms of the right so congrats on that

when faced with its latest worst-ever threat, the american left talks about such wild things as moving to canada, not killing the people with which it disagrees

yep exactly the same