I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

This is a stupid digression why are we bothering

9/11 never forget

Lol morbz yr memory is gone too eh old bean

yes, and the drugs. come sit with me during an infusion.

fine Sen Gore, i apologize for my mistake. still waiting for yours on Lieberman and Tipper.

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xp no it makes them a spoiler

so, insofar as I can understand your answer, you assert that the lesson of the nader movement is that one must always choose one of the two candidates nominated by the two major parties and a refusal to accept this idea constitutes an obstinate unwillingness to learn an inescapable lesson, rather than a legitimate disagreement as to how to cast one's vote. I don't know that you've made an adequate argument for delegitimizing someone who disagrees with you on that conclusion. not surprisingly, you'd have to count me among those who disagree with you on that, too.

now, if you'd asserted that morbs has offered little or no substance on these threads other than repetitive sniping, I'd agree with you on that. but saying he didn't learn his lesson because you know how he ought to think about the nader movement is just presumptuous.

yeah ok i don't think it's a v complicated argument but if you feel i didn't adequately make it that's ok i don't really feel like spending the rest of my night prosecuting the case

the problem with it being a simple argument is that it supports an overly simple conclusion.

election results are pretty simple conclusions tbf.

election results are pretty simple conclusions

sadly, this rule of thumb didn't seem to apply to the 2000 election, the results of which were unprecedentedly complicated

I'm always amazed when a Nader apologist is willing to go as far as "actually Gore would have invaded Iraq too". A great way to avoid the very simple question "Looking back were the two major candidates really the same?". Maybe a case can be made that the long term goal of Green Party support is still worth that risk but instead you get the cheap denial of "It didn't happen."

The Iraq war is up there with the worst foreign policy mistakes ever, and the world will live with the repercussions for decades. But Tarfumes, are you really against removing Hussein in principle, even pressure through sanctions (the idea that they killed 500.000 children though, I've never seen anything about this that doesn't sound massively conspiratorial) Saddam Hussein invaded other countries and used chemical weapons on civilian populations. He needed to be stopped. And he was. Then George Bush decided to invade anyway without having a clue about what to do afterwards.

yeah the assertion that the sanctions led to the deaths of 500,000 kids has i think at this point been pretty throughly discredited, though albright's famous answer to that question still...says a lot

Saddam Hussein invaded other countries and used chemical weapons on civilian populations.

With the United States' express support and financial and material backing.

oh cool! This discussion again. brb gonna listen to George Michael's "Shoot the Dog."

Which is not to suggest he was anything other than a ghoul, but hearing someone on ILX use that sort of credulous, warmed-over-CNN-style rationalization is more shocking to me than the claim that Gore would have invaded Iraq.

speaking of "shocking," shall I repost the Al-Tipper clip

xp i really don't know how you read that as a rationalization for the iraq war... he began with "The Iraq war is up there with the worst foreign policy mistakes ever," ffs

"actually Gore would have invaded Iraq too"

NO ONE FUCKING SAID THAT EITHER

free brain transplants for the whole thread

i mean it's either "Gore would have done the same thing on Iraq as Bush" or "not invading Iraq wouldn't have been THAT different." at least i'm not sure what else to do with "Gore wouldn't have been THAT different."

Maybe like this

http://www.ecorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/gore_guitar_indi.jpg

Gore coulda been jammin at bohemian grove with Kissinger and Clint Eastwood

I completely agree that the wests behaviour during the Iran-Iraq war was despicable, but I fail to see why that means the west shouldn't have stopped the invasion of Kuwait or the use of chemical weapons on the kurds?

The War Against Iraq Over Kuwait

So Donald Trump Jr just blew a hole in the 'audit' defense for not releasing tax records. Sigh. And nothing will come of it.

I've never felt so legitimately panicky about politics in my life. The end is way too nigh.

Too nigh? I would give anything for this to be over already.

I mean in the apocalyptic sense, not the election.

Donald Trump has made it clear he will nominate Peter Thiel to the Supreme Court if he wins the presidency, Thiel has told friends, according to a source close to the PayPal co-founder.

Trump “deeply loves Peter Thiel,” and people in the real estate mogul’s inner circle are talking about Thiel as a Supreme Court nominee, a separate source close to Trump told The Huffington Post. That source, who has not spoken to Trump directly about Thiel being nominated to the Court, cautioned that Trump’s offers often fail to materialize in real life.

It’s not clear whether Trump has indeed offered to nominate Thiel ― only that Thiel has said Trump would nominate him and that Trump’s team has discussed Thiel as a possible nominee. Both sources requested anonymity, given that Trump and Thiel have each demonstrated a willingness to seek revenge against parties they feel have wronged them. In Thiel’s case, he secretly financed lawsuits against Gawker.com with the intention of destroying the publication. He succeeded, and his role in the assault was only revealed in the final stages.

LOL

bahahahaha

didn't realize until I just googled him that he's a Stanford law grad

Much needed diversity of law schools on the court.

Justice Thiel

AHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK

Did not realize that Trump was planning on organizing an actual Legion of Doom to run the country, but I'm looking forward to Secretary of State Shkreli.

i've been saying for years that seasteading the supreme court is the next logical development in us justice - only donald trump and peter thiel can make this happen

This election is like a massive psychological test to see how many people, when handed a live grenade, would happily pull the pin and throw it into a crowd of random passers-by.

just when you think you've heard the funniest wackest thing from the Trump camp

I hope Thiel has a daughter named Milly.

voting for nader in NY is not careless, even if all the rest of what you said were true

encouraging Nader and Naderism in any way was careless & boded ill for the future. It set a terrible example. I say this as a guy who voted Nader and had a Nader-LaDuke sign in his front yard. I feel like an asshole for it now but what can you do, you grow, you ask questions like "would that dude actually have made a good president?" (A: of course not) instead of "was the he guy who shared my values most" (naturally, but it's not actually about that)

you will feel like more of an asshole two years into the next admin

(i hope)

Morbz,

What exactly is it that you are saying? That Clinton supporters will regret their decision if she wins? That it would be better if they supported, what? Trump? Stein? Johnson? Deez Nutz? Or just remain on the sidelines grousing?

We all get that you hate Hillary, but it isn't at all clear what you think the correct alternative is.

totally thought that thiel for the supremes piece was an andy borowitz bit (which is to say: bad)

I'm literally reading about Hitler's rise to power to study specific parallels and I don't think it's making me feel any better.

Just a reminder that Donald Trump, a man who once got into a public feud with the Pope, wants to appoint a Supreme Court Justice who thinks that drinking the blood of the young will keep him immortal.

"was the he guy who shared my values most" (naturally, but it's not actually about that)

This seems clinically and/or politically insane to me.

Moodles:
Sorry, alleged liberals (or even "anarchists") who shitted all over Sanders in the primary season because of the #BernieBros IDIOCY (or its equivalents) made a facepalming mistake, in favor of a shitty candidate/militarist/Saudi-favor-collector/power vampire who could possibly lose to Trump. It was stupidity on a realpolitik level. The End.

i hope i get the opportunity to feel like an asshole during the hillary administration and not, as the NYT is desperately trying to make happen, feel sad and impotent as president trump destroys the country

Trump attacks the pastor who dared to shush him in public.
http://www.npr.org/2016/09/15/494064219/trump-criticizes-flint-pastor-but-misstates-key-facts-about-their-encounter

Trump began his brief speech with a joke. "It used to be cars were made in Flint, and you couldn't drink the water in Mexico. Now the cars are made in Mexico, and you can't drink the water in Flint."

yea good joke asshole