I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

you will feel like more of an asshole two years into the next admin

(i hope)

Morbz,

What exactly is it that you are saying? That Clinton supporters will regret their decision if she wins? That it would be better if they supported, what? Trump? Stein? Johnson? Deez Nutz? Or just remain on the sidelines grousing?

We all get that you hate Hillary, but it isn't at all clear what you think the correct alternative is.

totally thought that thiel for the supremes piece was an andy borowitz bit (which is to say: bad)

I'm literally reading about Hitler's rise to power to study specific parallels and I don't think it's making me feel any better.

Just a reminder that Donald Trump, a man who once got into a public feud with the Pope, wants to appoint a Supreme Court Justice who thinks that drinking the blood of the young will keep him immortal.

"was the he guy who shared my values most" (naturally, but it's not actually about that)

This seems clinically and/or politically insane to me.

Moodles:
Sorry, alleged liberals (or even "anarchists") who shitted all over Sanders in the primary season because of the #BernieBros IDIOCY (or its equivalents) made a facepalming mistake, in favor of a shitty candidate/militarist/Saudi-favor-collector/power vampire who could possibly lose to Trump. It was stupidity on a realpolitik level. The End.

i hope i get the opportunity to feel like an asshole during the hillary administration and not, as the NYT is desperately trying to make happen, feel sad and impotent as president trump destroys the country

Trump attacks the pastor who dared to shush him in public.
http://www.npr.org/2016/09/15/494064219/trump-criticizes-flint-pastor-but-misstates-key-facts-about-their-encounter

Trump began his brief speech with a joke. "It used to be cars were made in Flint, and you couldn't drink the water in Mexico. Now the cars are made in Mexico, and you can't drink the water in Flint."

yea good joke asshole

it's clearer than ever that everything trump attacks his opponents for is pure projection on his part

Morning, guys!

Moodles:
Sorry, alleged liberals (or even "anarchists") who shitted all over Sanders in the primary season because of the #BernieBros IDIOCY (or its equivalents) made a facepalming mistake, in favor of a shitty candidate/militarist/Saudi-favor-collector/power vampire who could possibly lose to Trump. It was stupidity on a realpolitik level. The End.

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:05 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sanders was never going to be the nominee.

it's clearer than ever that everything trump attacks his opponents for is pure projection on his part

yeah at this rate he's gonna start asking why Hillary spent so much foundation money on a 6-foot tall portrait of herself

encouraging Nader and Naderism in any way was careless & boded ill for the future. It set a terrible example. I say this as a guy who voted Nader and had a Nader-LaDuke sign in his front yard. I feel like an asshole for it now but what can you do, you grow, you ask questions like "would that dude actually have made a good president?" (A: of course not) instead of "was the he guy who shared my values most" (naturally, but it's not actually about that)

― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:53 AM (twenty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's always been way more fascinating to me to try to imagine how a President Nader would have reacted/responded to 9/11 than how a President Gore would have

either way Trump is a pathetic human being who melts down at the smallest slight and yet we want to elect him as the most criticized man in the world. cool

now that Sanders is not the candidate, what next? wallow in regrets? paralysis? internet flame wars?

however you feel about Sanders vs. Clinton, that chapter is over. Time to move on and decide how you want to approach the current situation, rather than getting stuck on the previous one.

various xposts

'a lot of people are saying crooked hilary is having trouble with her prostate, real bad trouble' xxxp

btw I love how he slams Hillary over and over about the Iraq war vote and then goes and claims he'd start a war with Iran if someone gave him the finger

i live in New York so have no influence whatsoever xxp

does the 500th rep of that get through?

It's too bad Mother Teresa is dead. I would've relished Trump's recap of their meeting.

xposts

Morbz, I understand your vote doesn't count for much, but you clearly have a lot to say about everyone else's choices. What are you suggesting for the upcoming election for all the people who's votes matter? or are you just saying that all choices are bad and anyone participating in the system at all is guilty?

This may be an exercise in futility, but I'm trying to push the conversation forward a bit from just endlessly flaming everyone that has a different opinion than you, to actually providing a substantive stance or course of action.

good luck and godspeed

Trump attacks the pastor who dared to shush him in public.
http://www.npr.org/2016/09/15/494064219/trump-criticizes-flint-pastor-but-misstates-key-facts-about-their-encounter

maybe this is wishful thinking but I'd like to see this blow up in the media please, if nothing more than for more evidence of Donald Trump being a pathological liar

like maybe y'all could make this Capt. Khan Pt 2, we could certainly use it

Right on cue punditocracy peddling this "close race" nonsense

you will feel like more of an asshole two years into the next admin

no, I'm probably going to think "how much worse this would be if Donald Trump had won? sure am glad the less bad candidate won!" a whole lot. I will bet you thirty million dollars U.S. that I'll never once in my life think "you know who would have been awesome at getting us out of our present predicament? Jill Stein!" or it that's not enough money, forty million. infinity dollars. that is how many dollars I'll bet that I never once think "Jill Stein would have been better at this"

encouraging Nader and Naderism in any way was careless & boded ill for the future. It set a terrible example. I say this as a guy who voted Nader and had a Nader-LaDuke sign in his front yard. I feel like an asshole for it now but what can you do, you grow, you ask questions like "would that dude actually have made a good president?" (A: of course not) instead of "was the he guy who shared my values most" (naturally, but it's not actually about that)

― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:53 AM (forty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

people who voted for nader did not vote for him (necessarily) because they thought he would make a good president, dude. it's about showing the party that not everyone's votes can be taken for granted. you fucking know this, you've said it more times than probably anyone on this board

i'm not voting jill stein btw because she is an embarrassment but that's another story

people who voted for nader did not vote for him (necessarily) because they thought he would make a good president, dude. it's about showing the party that not everyone's votes can be taken for granted.

a) Then what if he had won?
b) How'd that work out for them?

it's about showing the party that not everyone's votes can be taken for granted.

i understand this is the motivation but is there any reason to believe that this is logical at all?

I'm so nervous about the election right now for whatever reason I can't concentrate on work. I just want Trump to get flung out into space so I can go back to living a comfortable life. Like straight into the sun on a beautiful morning up at our family beach house as we're relaxing and drinking coffee and planning ahead for a visit to a cute little nearby restaurant that serves the BEST pistachio cake. It just melts in your mouth.

people who voted for nader did not vote for him (necessarily) because they thought he would make a good president, dude. it's about showing the party that not everyone's votes can be taken for granted.

a) Then what if he had won?
b) How'd that work out for them?

― Cumstaun (Phil D.), Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:47 AM (thirty seconds ago)

he...wasn't....going to win

you may have heard about this two party system we are a part of and how third party candidates tend to do

no one votes for Stein or Nader based on what kinds of POTUS s/he'll be bcz s/he won't be one. you know, just like when i voted for Mondale.

xxxp to Moodles: for swing staters, i can't manage more than 'vote for Clinton while wearing a I HATE CLINTON tee', or

@DennisThePerrin Jul 26
If you must vote for Hillary, fine. But spare me the piety. There's nothing noble in what you're doing.

it's about showing the party that not everyone's votes can be taken for granted.

i understand this is the motivation but is there any reason to believe that this is logical at all?

― Mordy, Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:47 AM (one minute ago)

idk, it's about as logical as voting for the dem, isn't it? when your vote is meaningless?

it's amazing how spring's "ugh, i can't vote for Bernie bcz of his couple thousand abusive and anonymous Twitter troll supporters" has dovetailed into fall's "You must vote for the candidate John Negroponte, Robert Kagan and dozens of other neocon butchers are enthusiastically endorsing."

"...even in an uncontested state, for the VIRTUE of it"

Also the beach is quite rocky so at low tide it's fun to try to turn the biggest rocks over because usually they have the most/biggest crabs underneath. You can catch them by pinching their back and if you catch two you can get them to hold hands. Meanwhile Trump would be hurtling towards the sun.

putting up a candidate for president every four years is not really a productive strategy to promote third parties imo

you may have heard about this two party system we are a part of and how third party candidates tend to do

Exactly. So if they aren't going to win, and the parties care fuck-all about any "signaling function" (which it's pretty obvious they don't, since neither has moved appreciably towards the positions of any third parties) then that leaves . . . what?

idk, it's about as logical as voting for the dem, isn't it? when your vote is meaningless?

Being able to claim a vast majority of the popular vote -- and thus the unquestioned support of most of the nation -- when trying to get shit passed in office is not meaningless.

it's amazing how spring's "ugh, i can't vote for Bernie bcz of his couple thousand abusive and anonymous Twitter troll supporters" has dovetailed into fall's "You must vote for the candidate John Negroponte, Robert Kagan and dozens of other neocon butchers are enthusiastically endorsing."

Yeah, all ten of those people really piss me off.

xxxp to Moodles: for swing staters, i can't manage more than 'vote for Clinton while wearing a I HATE CLINTON tee', or

@DennisThePerrin Jul 26
If you must vote for Hillary, fine. But spare me the piety. There's nothing noble in what you're doing.

The flip side of this is that there's nothing particularly evil about it either. Maybe Hillary supporters can stop patting themselves on the back and Hillary haters can stop shitting all over them.

When people assess the viability of third-party candidates, they tend to look at vote counts - including the votes that were cast in safe states. For good or for ill, Johnson and Stein's candidacies emerged in a context that includes the precedents of Perot, Nader, Buchanan, etc. And those campaigns were themselves informed by candidates like Anderson and Thurmond and so on.

Inevitably, tomorrow's third-party candidates will feel emboldened by every vote cast for Johnson and Stein, whether those votes happened in California, Florida, or Nebraska. At the same time, money, media attention, and the endless swirls of analysis from the pundit and poli-sci crowd will have to contend with those votes, and adjust to the fact of their presence.

So regardless of how you feel about third-party candidates in the abstract, or these third-party candidates in particular, I disagree that any vote is ever meaningless.

Is it even conceivable that voting has no moral content whatsoever

people who voted for nader did not vote for him (necessarily) because they thought he would make a good president, dude. it's about showing the party that not everyone's votes can be taken for granted. you fucking know this, you've said it more times than probably anyone on this board

yeah I know. I find that opinion embarrassing now. I don't give a fuck if the less bad party takes my vote for granted. they should take my vote for granted, because it is a given that I'm going to vote for whichever viable candidate will do less harm to the people who have less than I do, who need more help from government, who need the legislation that Democrats might pass and that Republicans won't. this seems self-evident to me now and I feel moronic that it took me as long as it did to come around to this conclusion. I don't sweat feeling moronic, I'm slow on the uptake sometimes and I'm cool w/that, but it's surprising to me that sharper thinkers than me -- yrself, not blowing smoke here, just saying -- don't come around this view quicker than I have.

It's an equally valid option, in many cases, to stay home and JO as George Carlin suggested.

Being able to claim a vast majority of the popular vote -- and thus the unquestioned support of most of the nation -- when trying to get shit passed in office is not meaningless.

Did you notice, Democrats rubberstamped the Forever Wars of a guy who didn't even win the popular vote.

Yeah, all ten of those people really piss me off.

learn to count
that HRC is welcoming the endorsement of even one of them disqualifies her.

more or less than an endorsement from David Duke?