I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

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Self-negating Greenwald:

A lot of times, you can invent examples that are just so extreme that they even cloud or obscure the debate rather than help it. So during the torture debate, everyone who wants to justify torture sits down and plays games with their imagination and looks to TV shows — “Okay, it’s a ticking time bomb with radioactive material in three hours and will kill 100 million people unless you torture someone. And do you do it?”

That’s a hard question to answer. You can’t answer that blithely. But the important thing is that scenario is never the case in the real world.

. . . Say, if Donald Trump has a heart attack, and he’s leading in the polls and he’ll win, and the doctor could say, “I could do everything possible to save his life, or I can just do a little less and maybe he’ll die and he won’t be president.” I wouldn’t want doctors making those kinds of decisions that way, and I don’t want journalists making those kinds of decisions either.

Cumstaun (Phil D.), Friday, 16 September 2016 14:47 (seven years ago) link

@jacobinmag
Hillary Clinton's new book has sold less copies than a Jacobin volume called "The ABCs of Socialism."

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 September 2016 14:48 (seven years ago) link

On a positive tip, I have to feel like, due to our constant exposure to Trump's untethered pathology, the critical thinking skills of a certain segment of the population are likely to improve at least a little. These are traits that many people may have never been exposed to before (or at least not to the outsized extent to which Trump's psychological ailments present themselves). Some people will always be swayed by, for example, a pathological liar's ability to utter falsehoods with complete conviction, but there are others who are going to get a lot better at calling people out when they pull a Trump and at spotting that shit a mile away when future politicians inevitably try to recapture Trump's special brand of insane magic.

ALL TACOE'S 1/2 HALF "OFF" (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 September 2016 14:49 (seven years ago) link

xpost @jacobinmag The word you're looking for is 'fewer'.

ALL TACOE'S 1/2 HALF "OFF" (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 September 2016 14:50 (seven years ago) link

We don't need your bourgeois grammar.

Cumstaun (Phil D.), Friday, 16 September 2016 14:51 (seven years ago) link

Clemenza that RCP link had Clinton still up by 1.5 wtf

― Οὖτι]

It doesn't, no. Scroll down to the tracking poll on that page, Trump vs. Clinton; Trump takes over the lead--the red line moves above the blue line--for the same three days in July where Silver had him in the line.

I honestly feel silly pressing this point. I want Clinton to win. But I don't want to be one of those unskewed poll guys, trying to deny something that clearly is true.

clemenza, Friday, 16 September 2016 14:57 (seven years ago) link

"in the lead"

clemenza, Friday, 16 September 2016 14:57 (seven years ago) link

We don't need your bourgeois grammar.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/34/91/4a/34914a2f0d58ac5f36e4376fcd73fd13.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 September 2016 14:58 (seven years ago) link

i wonder what kind of music trump likes? i wonder if he even likes music at all

global tetrahedron, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:02 (seven years ago) link

Can't remember where I saw it, but someone observed his pre-rally music was a lot of Andrew Lloyd Weber.

pplains, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:03 (seven years ago) link

Trump's favorite song is the last one he heard someone else playing.

ALL TACOE'S 1/2 HALF "OFF" (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 September 2016 15:07 (seven years ago) link

Millennials don't have cars so how are they supposed to vote? I mean, ugh, can't we just do it all online? Like, text a thumbs up or something?

Have it be like a dating app where you just like left-swipe some candidates and right-swipe others, then get back to yr cold-brew or whatever.

inimitable liver (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 16 September 2016 15:12 (seven years ago) link

Whether it's relevant or not is not the same question as whether it happened or not. I just find it weird that you're adamant that Trump has never led. The RCP tracking poll had him ahead during the same window that Nate Silver did (July 25-29, right after the Republican convention)

ah so a couple polls taken right after the convention showed him barely ahead, I concede this insignificant point and apologize for my misleading generalization that he's never been ahead.

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:32 (seven years ago) link

xxp

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:33 (seven years ago) link

Good times:

https://youtu.be/jSGLOLQz40M

Fuck you, Fallon and NBC.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link

oh wow he finally dropped the birther stuff

frogbs, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:38 (seven years ago) link

fallon sucks

marcos, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:41 (seven years ago) link

very magnanimous (is how it will be spun)

serge thoroughgoods (will), Friday, 16 September 2016 15:42 (seven years ago) link

Gee, Trump really caves under pressure. I was hoping he'd be stronger and hold his ground. What else will he flip flop on?

Evan, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:42 (seven years ago) link

fuck this guy forever but that was seriously some A+ clowning of CNN, this is amazing

frogbs, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:45 (seven years ago) link

this shit stain has turned this "campaign event" into a promotion for his new hotel! this is so fucking stupid

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 16 September 2016 15:48 (seven years ago) link

but also, incredible

frogbs, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:49 (seven years ago) link

CNN is going into a full-on meltdown over this. On the other hand it's their own fault for being so stupidly gullible about this in the first place.

frogbs, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:50 (seven years ago) link

wait what happened on Fallon I missed something

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:51 (seven years ago) link

link?

Evan, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:51 (seven years ago) link

xp

Evan, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:51 (seven years ago) link

he did a kiss ass interview and played with trumps hair

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 16 September 2016 15:51 (seven years ago) link

hey Trump hosted SNL he must be all right, right? all just a bit of fun!

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link

Fallon is, perhaps counterintuitively to Clint, the nadir of Eastwood's "pussy generation" label

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 September 2016 16:01 (seven years ago) link

(except Fallon is actually what, about 44? he just entertains the post-funny cohort)

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 September 2016 16:02 (seven years ago) link

Fallon's always been a vacuum to me, an eager to please hack

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 September 2016 16:02 (seven years ago) link

At what point exactly is someone going to come back from the future and put a stop to all of this?

Evan, Friday, 16 September 2016 16:04 (seven years ago) link

I just watched a Futurama episode about that (granted it was Nixon running, not Trump)

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 September 2016 16:06 (seven years ago) link

does this mean you're going to quote the Nixon on Twitter

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 September 2016 16:08 (seven years ago) link

*waggles jowls*

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 September 2016 16:10 (seven years ago) link

I appreciate Fallon's chummy & genial 'hey, we're all just people, and people are okay in my book!' interview style. I found his interviews with Pol Pot and John Wayne Gacy really charming.

ALL TACOE'S 1/2 HALF "OFF" (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 September 2016 16:18 (seven years ago) link

That was peak Jimmy Fallon.

jmm, Friday, 16 September 2016 16:22 (seven years ago) link

tbf Trump probably gave Fallon a fuckton of blow

flappy bird, Friday, 16 September 2016 16:23 (seven years ago) link

stage that he made announcement from has collapsed.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Friday, 16 September 2016 16:27 (seven years ago) link

Darn! Next time try the log on the rope or the spike pit with hay on top

Evan, Friday, 16 September 2016 16:29 (seven years ago) link

I kinda wonder if this stunt will hurt him w his hardcore racist/tea party/alt-right moron base

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 September 2016 16:36 (seven years ago) link

It seems unlikely but still

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 September 2016 16:36 (seven years ago) link

Trolling the MSM-illuminati-rothschild-CNN? They'll love it I'm sure.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 16 September 2016 16:39 (seven years ago) link

@tinyrevolution
The best part of the Trump presidency will be Bill Clinton following his natural instinct to ingratiate himself with him

"Unlike some of my friends, I believe there are many positive things about Donald & we have to be honest about that"

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 September 2016 16:45 (seven years ago) link

this is Trump's "pivot" towards the center isn't it

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 September 2016 16:47 (seven years ago) link

At least until he starts waffling, by let's say...tomorrow?

ALL TACOE'S 1/2 HALF "OFF" (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 September 2016 17:14 (seven years ago) link


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