I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

but he is likable enough and he likes to make other people seem likable and that is his job. i am not outraged at how he seemed to have real affection for trump -- he does the same thing for everyone -- but it was weird to watch. fallon is a master at his milquetoast art but i don't respect this art.

uh here it's easy: https://storify.com/hriefs/tannenbaumr-explores-the-donald-trump-foundation

People are getting the shit beaten out of them because Trump, and Fallon's tussling his hair. C'mon. I'm boycotting CBS and NBC for their Trump support, as if I watched that garbage in the first place.

Next in the crosshairs are those Twitter alt left bros who are flabbergasted that people find Trump so appalling. Fuck 'em, too.

ah so a couple polls taken right after the convention showed him barely ahead, I concede this insignificant point

538 and RCP don't poll--they track the average of hundreds of other polls. The poll you posted, NBC/Survey Monkey, that was a single poll. I'm guessing you know this.

Sorry, Οὖτις, but you kind of remind me of Trump when you post something like that. You said something that is factually wrong, I (politely) said so, and then you just dig in your heels.

you kind of remind me of Trump

regardless of the justice of this observation, now that you've made it publically you should be prepared to fight a duel at sunrise with pistols at ten paces

you think people getting the shit beat out of them is bad, just imagine what happened bc of the patriot act

God yr obtuse clemenza. I know rcp and 538 dont poll - and their averages only briefly showed trump ahead because of a couple polls taken over a 3-day period. The significance of which you yourself said was minimal. So i'm glad you pride yourself on being technically correct on this semantic point but wtf.

He joked about her getting assassinated again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/17/donald-trump-says-hillary-clintons-bodyguards-should-disarm-and/

xp If you don't like people being right, maybe don't specifically contradict them in the first place?

Treeship, I disagree. I think the returns would/will inevitably cause problems for his business (the only reason I buy him not releasing them - I don't believe in the theory that he won't release because he's not as rich as he claims to be) and that will prove worthwhile enough to justify making them a big deal.

Those are the same thing though - his brand (both in business and politics) is about how rich he is, how successful a businessman he is - part of his claimed wealth is the value that his name brings to things.

Mitt Romney had the same expectation of privacy as the rest of is, us what stopped him releasing his mostly-unremarkable tax returns. Trump doesn't have that - when the co-writer of the Art of the Game wanted more access, Trump just hooked him up with a second phone on Trump's phone line:

There was not a single call that Trump deemed too private for Schwartz to hear. “He loved the attention,” Schwartz recalls. “If he could have had three hundred thousand people listening in, he would have been even happier.”

unrelated but well this is happening in my county

http://www.wftv.com/news/local/orange-county-school-district-says-student-must-have-permission-to-kneel-during-national-anthem/446448711

this might finally be the thing that gets the creepy state statute about the pledge in schools repealed, esp given SCOTUS case law (Tinker v Des Moines) on public school speech.

schools can police children p much however they want though

Ha -- not with our state legislature. Black athletes kneeling + high school sports + white supermajority = SOOL

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schools can police children p much however they want though

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only to an extent. public schools can ban things like obscenity on t-shirts/school newspaper and what not but are limited in banning other forms of speech/expression unless it "materially and substantially interferes with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school."

granted, schools get away with this kind of rule-bending *all the time* cos most students are too afraid to challenge them, but I can't imagine what discipline issues would occur here other than resulting from the faculty ostracizing the students by calling attention to it. Also think the parental proviso kinda negates the 'free speech' part cos it relies on them sharing the same beliefs.

anywho, brief diversion...back to yer regularly scheduled programming.

I don't even fucking know why we have the national anthem at sporting events, let alone the pledge of allegiance in schools (do they even do that anymore? I should ask my kids).

at some sporting events that occur on Sundays, we even have prayers before the game. which usually eerily invokes some kind of blatant, unwavering support for the military.

I like soccer matches where teams from other countries come over here and play cos then I get to hear another fuckin' national anthem for once.

I'm not offended by the national anthems at games. I'm offended that, out of all of the singers in Central Florida, they seem to get the worst volunteers to sing the thing at Orlando City games. last match I went to had a jazz quartet where the soprano should have been fired. and then there was an awkward attempt at a Bobby McFerrin-esque version where the dude couldn't stay in the same key for the entire song.

Pledges/anthems aren't necessarily the problem - it's their use as a litmus test to identify internal enemies.

I wondered why people who flubbed words were getting escorted out of the stadium

You know what I mean.

I miss the good ol days when Obama caused a mild controversy for not wearing a flag pin on the campaign trail.
can we have *that* America back?

Right! It's not an expression of patriotism it's something to measure people's failure to be maximally patriotic by.

best version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73ZsDdK0sTI

Bunch of bombs in the air

my friend likes to shout "It's Enrico Pollozzo (sp?)" at baseball games

Because I read it today, Robert Paxton: "no swastikas in American fascism, but Stars and Stripes (or Stars and Bars) and Christian crosses. No racist salute, but mass recitations of the pledge of allegiance. These symbols contain no whiff of fascism in themselves, of course, but an American fascism would transform them into obligatory litmus tests for detecting the internal enemy."

i admit I get a little annoyed when people shout shit during the anthem, but I think that has less to do with admiration for it and more to do with it being rude to interrupt someone singing.

my earlier joek aside I do agree w/ you tho - look at the shit given to that Olympian for merely not putting her hand over her heart (though that had a lot to do with sexism too as many male counterparts did the same and got no grief).

whadya think Trump's going to change the anthem to when he wins

whadya think Trump's going to change the anthem to when he wins

Tina Turner, "Simply the Best"

America by Neil diamond, sans irony.

Depends on who the highest bidder is. I'm rooting for the Fantanas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIhVR2OolWk

These symbols contain no whiff of fascism in themselves

except that part in the national anthem that talks about how awesome slavery is

Yeah, I think he was trying to avoid alienating folks who would otherwise like that stuff.

I mean, I'm Scottish, the UK national anthem used to (still does?) gloat about conquering us. And either way, I don't sing it - the only time it comes up is in church, and I feel it's somewhat blasphemous.

is that true? i know what line you're talking about but i thought it refers to british impressment (that's why it's coupled w/ 'hireling'). doesn't really make sense as just a non-sequitar. xxp

"the pledge of allegiance in schools (do they even do that anymore? I should ask my kids)"

i'm in berkeley schools and they do a pledge to the earth and society. it would probably make my republican relatives blow their fucking brains out screaming about liberal indoctrination

(after typing that post i did some research and apparently a. this is a point of contention and b. i didn't know but there were UK regiments made up of former slaves fighting for their freedom to which it could be referring - which is still gross as hell to begrudge them their fight for freedom but still not really celebrating the institution of slavery...)

(nb i know key was a pos)

My niece is learning it and is getting taught the colors of the flag.

No pledge at my daughter's school, she has no idea what it is

that Cave 76 National Anthem is literally my favorite joke of all time

I wondered why people who flubbed words were getting escorted out of the stadium

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzBq0n8dxFQ

... the story behind that is, because of a lack of Tories in Wales, an Englishman had to be installed as Secretary of State for Wales and that is him and that is the Welsh National Anthem.

lol I like how he's emulating mouth shapes to appear to be singing the right words. I've done that at times

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=32&v=DrHsOQfiptA

Secretary of State for Scotland isn't exactly representative at the moment.

lol omg this anthem by Kat Deluna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf1HMZbTcz0