I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

that might be an unintended positive for republicans in upcoming elections. compared to trump, everyone seems relatively reasonable. even within this election, john kasich was portrayed as the reasonable moderate despite being a total fucking asshole

All the Trump news at the moment seems to have gone back to being completely negative. Media seems especially angry. Hopefully that amounts to something.

Just saw a BMW SUV with a Carson sticker peel out, race around traffic on the shoulder, cut off someone in the right lane and get back into traffic in the left lane as the right lane continued to pass him. I don't know what this means. Just reports from the field. Those days are gone forever, I should just let them go but

― how's life, Friday, September 16, 2016 8:11 PM (four days ago)

yes

lol

I'm not worried about Trump so much as a GOP-controlled Senate and Congress behind Trump.

what was it that's shaken everyone's confidence in this thread from "don't worry she's got this" to "i am now v scared trump will win"; is it the polls? the pneumonia? the bombs in nyc and nj? the election drawing nearer? i am relying upon all y'alls optimism to carry me through these trying times

nah she's gonna win

Clinton's going to win. It's still freaking me out that it's even close, and that so many seem absolutely okay with having a racist lunatic running. Priebus out there threatening Kasich and Cruz with reprisals in 2020 if they don't back Trump right now. The media completely rolling over, Fallon sucking it up, CNN hiring Lewandowski while he was still on Trump's payroll, Clinton being attacked for saying the truth about racism amongst Trump's followers (I've heard the clip, it sounds bad, but still). There's a good chance that Trump is actually doing better than a 'generic republican' would be doing (Jeb! wouldn't be making inroads in Iowa, Maine and Ohio), and there's a good chance that he is being helped, not hurt, by catering to the white supremacist crowd. And that's scary for the future.

Cumulatively speaking, it's as though everything we've learned about politics has been upended and set on fire.

https://newrepublic.com/article/136928/dont-blame-millennials-scarily-close-election-blame-baby-boomers

lolz

what's shaken my confidence . . . the double-standards in how the press treats the two candidates are giving me deja vu of bush "beating" gore . . . my naive confidence that we'd never re-elect bush, not a chance, after not only the towers fell on his watch and we lost a wing of the pentagon on the same day but he lied us into iraq . . . the ascendant mania to re-establish feudalism / 'confederacy' exhibited by lots of americans who are now presented with a bigoted silver spoon "billionaire" they can project that onto . . . a couple other things. . . .

Article about baby boomers is relentlessly otm. Plenty of fine folk in that generation, but as a generation they have been an unbelievable scourge who bear full and total responsibility for all of the completely preventable social problems that ail our country, from out of control health and education costs to mass incarceration

Also they love television and Trump is a television star

they are the fucking worst

"we want all the goodies but will never, ever pay for them. and we're going to burn it all down on our way out"

Nobody cares about proven activity, that's not what excites people. Only conspiracies and hidden things to be uncovered slowly.

― Evan, Tuesday, September 20, 2016 2:17 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is very true. For whatever reason. Feels like a knife-wielding Trump could be covered in blood and surrounded by the bodies of those he's recently killed but still get thoughtful nods from bystanders when he suggests that he's heard people talking about Hillary murdering some folks sometime somewhere so it's unfaaaaaaair for people to persecute him and make up lies about his murderous proclivities.

xps u wanna see what they're saying about your lot on fb tho

Some wealthy Cuban friends of mine in Miami have expressed this sentiment as well:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/296849-gop-billionaire-pledges-2m-to-clinton

And I don't think there's ever been this many conservatives actually donating to the other side of the fence (i.e. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/296958-hedge-funders-pony-up-for-hillary-clinton-super-pac). Those kinds of conservatives do not like Clinton at all but they despise and are embarrassed by Trump.

I was just reminded today that Trump vowed to pull out of the Paris climate agreement which is pretty much the only chance we have to save this dumb planet we live on, in case you need another reason to vote against him

Maybe it's too much to ask but I really hope one of the debate moderators grill him on this. Properties that he owns are actively preparing for climate change yet he continues to claim it's all a hoax. There are just an insane number of levels on which this guy is a hypocrite.

I'm convinced that most of his hardcore supporters are basically attempting suicide-by-president. Anything to hasten the end is okay by them.

what's shaken my confidence . . . the double-standards in how the press treats the two candidates are giving me deja vu of bush "beating" gore

exactly - the media has mainstreamed Trump's message while the only thing most of the public knows about Clinton is that she might have done a bad thing with emails. yesterday I flipped CNN on and they gave equal time to the Trump Foundation allegations (incredibly immoral and probably a felony) and some old reddit post where someone was asked how to delete Clinton's email headers (which only proves how inept the State dept's IT staff is). this Trump Foundation thing is a huge deal and if Clinton pulled anything like this it would be the end of her campaign. I'm glad they're finally sacking up a bit but they still don't follow through a whole lot, letting Kellyanne Conway respond to basically every question with "hey why didn't you ask why the Clinton Foundation took money from the Saudis???" It's infuriating

And I don't think there's ever been this many conservatives actually donating to the other side of the fence (i.e. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/296958-hedge-funders-pony-up-for-hillary-clinton-super-pac). Those kinds of conservatives do not like Clinton at all but they despise and are embarrassed by Trump.

I am sure they also realize that they will be less rich under president trump

and the mainstreaming of Trump's message does have awful social consequences - there is so much open racism and "Islam is a cancer" type posts on my FB that you just didn't see before. I'm embarrassed by my country.

xp burning down society isn't a great plan if your life is actually okay (or in the case of wealthy conservatives very very okay)

yeah, if journos are really worried about fair/equal coverage, doing anything at all with the actual contents of clinton's platform and policy proposals would be a good start.

the CEO of an influential journalism site is the CEO of one of the candidate's campaigns. you'd think there might be some outrage if not pushback from journalists who wouldn't go near breitbart if offered lifetime sinecures there, but i guess not. maybe journalism is as compromised by voodoo economic nepotism like every other prestige profession in america

can we not use "mainstreaming" as a word? I don't want to validate Chuck Todd.

doing anything at all with the actual contents of clinton's platform and policy proposals would be a good start.

well, today the NYT points out neither of their policies wd've stopped the NY/NJ bomber, so there's that

oh bleh Piers

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3798213/PIERS-MORGAN-doesn-t-matter-names-mainstream-media-call-Trump-says-exactly-Americans-think-especially-comes-Islamic-terror.html

That's a lot of one-sentence paragraphs.

#1 quality I do not want in a president of the United States: says what Americans are thinking

aside from "deport Lena Dunham"

morgan invokes godwin within four sentences - fast-paced even for the daily mail

I always wondered what the capstone on a pyramid of Daily Mail Brangelina stories would be.

Man, Daily Show dude at Trump rally, my god ...

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/e9z0ej/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-jordan-klepper-fingers-the-pulse---conspiracy-theories-thrive-at-a-donald-trump-rally

Dr Morbius, what are your views on ms Dunham?

I am interested as I have just been catching up with GIRLS seasons 2 & 3 (years late, I realize).

huh

Donald Trump says he doesn't know what a police officer was thinking when she shot an unarmed Tulsa man.

Trump said during an appearance Wednesday at a Cleveland Heights church that he is a "tremendous believer in the police and law and enforcement."

But he is questioning the actions of the police officer who shot and killed Terence Crutcher, who was unarmed when he was shot alongside his vehicle in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Trump said he's seen video of the incident, and that it looked like Crutcher had done everything right.

Trump said he is "very, very troubled" by the actions of the officer. He said: "People that choke, people that do that, maybe they can't be doing what they're doing."

Dr Morbius, what are your views on ms Dunham?

I am interested as I have just been catching up with GIRLS seasons 2 & 3 (years late, I realize).

― the pinefox, Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:49 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

please do this somewhere else

Days after he gets the Police union's vote. Hilarious.

xp obvs

xxp but see nobody, not the press, not the debate moderators, nobody will ask him to reconcile that statement with all his talk of letting police "get tough" and "crack heads" to clean up "our inner-city African-American neighborhoods." They'll just let him go on as if the two positions are not completely contradictory.

and people say he and Hill have nothing in common!

Fuck off.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2016/09/who-will-reform-us-policing-by.html

Hillary needs to get off her ass during the debates and show passion and inhabit a personality that shows she can take down fucking bullies like Trump. Or Putin.

I feel like everyone not voting for Trump is waiting for her to show up to this election. Policy statements are mostly useless and voters know it.

Of possible interest: John Dickerson is on W Kamau Bell & Hari Khondulu's Politically Re-Active comedy/politics podcast talking about moderating presidential debates

http://traffic.megaphone.fm/FL8657864833.mp3?updated=1474438861

Re post election loss trump http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-trump-tv-20160916-snap-story.html

guess he'll just have to stick with the tried and true goldwater style direct mail/email fundraising grift