I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

Disgusting savages; list them ALL itt

trump is a guy who takes limos everywhere and lives on a diet of KFC and mcdonald's, weird that hillary's the one w/ the "health issues"

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, September 21, 2016

The diet of Trump's base.

Magary's piece in GQ was fun to read

yeah it got the blood up, that's for sure

Al Sharpton was an FBI informant and Republican spy, fuck that con man

http://theslot.jezebel.com/donald-trump-would-like-to-impose-new-yorks-most-racist-1786923383

It's encouraging to see that Catholics are not taking to Trump very well, though it seems that Evangelicals haven't yet woken up to the fact that Trump is not a typical values conservative, or maybe they just don't care.

http://religionandpolitics.org/2016/09/20/why-donald-trump-is-losing-catholic-voters/

don't care

They just want a conservative to replace Scalia. That's all that matters to them.

It's a good example of how the right, stupid as you might think they are, certainly knows how to prioritize and focus.

A fantastic read:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/donald-trump-florida-man/2294472

It's a good example of how the right, stupid as you might think they are, certainly knows how to prioritize and focus.

Excepting all those republican primary voters who made Trump their party's nominee.

Hey Alfred, kind of an obnoxiously unfair question but: how are you feeling about how FL's going to vote? I'm getting such mixed signals, but some of the signals (e.g., 538) suggest it's the swingiest of swing states in 2016. I'm seriously considering going down there for a week to pitch in with the Clinton GOTV efforts (I speak Spanish, which would come in handy in big chunks of Dade County, obv).

Alfred's said a few times on these threads that he is confident Trump has no chance, or words to that effect

i don't have any FL expertise but i do have other expertise + there are a number of indications that the jewish vote is going to break huge for hillary (see 538's expose today about the dire levels of financial support GOP is getting from Republican Jews as well as basically all recent polling) and florida is one of the few places that might actually make a difference

Sarah Silverman's Great Schlep in full effect, I see

Ha, that was my first thought too.

florida is a toss-up right now. that's all there is to be said about it

#neverforget

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo323/bubbanomics/obama911_zps2f28vglt.gif

Obama won Florida in '12 by, what, .05 or a point? It's possible that Clinton will lose Florida by the same margin if fewer blacks, Hispanics, and Jews vote. The possibility that once again pollsters are underrepresenting these groups in their results is high too.

Come down, collardio gelatinous!

re: florida margins and demographics, nobody knows anything

Dave Wasserman
‏@Redistrict
In '12, Obama won FL by 74k votes. Eligible Latinos who didn't vote: 725k. But eligible non-college whites who didn't vote? 2.5 *million.*

Adrian Gray
‏@adrian_gray Adrian Gray Retweeted Dave Wasserman
Since 2012, new Florida registrants:
White: +104,992
Latino: +242,005

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/21/trump-ads-are-running-next-to-isis-propaganda-campaign-unperturbed/

uhhh...awkward, dude

Algorithms otm

wow
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/22/trump-ohio-campaign-chair-no-racism-before-obama

Miller also dismissed the racial tensions of the 1960s, when she said she graduated from high school. “Growing up as a kid, there was no racism, believe me. We were just all kids going to school.”

what the fucking fuck?

"We were just all white kids going to an all-white school."

well if u never had to engage w a POC bc of the societal norms then you couldn't be racist toward them /s

i wonder about ohio sometimes, still seems like a tossup now, man fuck this state

in cleveland i see clinton signs everywhere, but have seen a trump sign here and there too. there is a major clinton campaign office up the street from me and it is bustling all the time

they are both here all the time

"believe me" <-- glad this is catching on as a valid substitution for evidence. yay

The reporter's face says it all.

xp marcos I haven't seen any Trump signs on the east side, but I have seen bumper stickers, mostly in the tonier suburbs (Orange, Beachwood, Pepper Pike, etc.). My neighborhood in Cle Hts is full of Hillary signs, though.

Conspicuously, the Orthodox Jews in my neighborhood -- who had no shortage of Romney/Ryan signs up in '12 -- have no signs up for any candidates.

"believe me" <-- glad this is catching on as a valid substitution for evidence. yay

It feels a little like the Republican Party has been hijacked by a legion of insane racist Narutos.

xp phil yea the only trump signs i've seen are in edgewater - just a couple

lakewood (where i live) has clinton signs everywhere, the campaign office on belle & detroit seems like a fun energetic place tbh

university circle (where i work) & surrounding neighborhood glenville has clinton signs everywhere too

Also re: that woman in eastern Ohio, she's coming from an area not too far from where a singing associate of mine grew up and looks to be about the same age. The woman I know has said similar things about her upbringing (in Youngstown iirc) about how everyone was just people and there weren't gigantic divisions between black and white people (she's white and most of her siblings' in-laws are black) but, unlike the Trump monster in that Guardian article, her experiences made her much more sensitive to racial issues/disparity and turned her into a raging liberal crusader. So, I don't actually disbelieve the Trump monster when she says "when I grew up, there were no differences" but the way she reacted to that experience tells me a lot about her character, which is why I keep referring to her as "Trump monster".

maybe where she grew up it was like that but wasnt the civil rights movement in the 60's? what the fuck was she seeing on the news, a goddamn tv drama?

This is kind of the crux of the issue, isn't it? The blinding myopia that allows you to translate the details of your immediate surroundings into an unassailable, universal truth?

And even if she was seeing tv drama on the news in the 60s, surely she will have heard of the civil rights movement after that. She just chooses not to hear/believe it. Stubbornly blind.

And unashamedly racist.

How can a thing exist if you yourself have not experienced it? The very idea.

Former RNC Chair: Trump's Birtherism is 'Bullshit Racism' http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/former-rnc-chairman-michael-steele-trump-birtherism-bullshit-racism

"You cannot say to me that given the 400 plus years of this country, that at the very moment the country decides to elect the first Black man president of the United States, you going to ask for his papers? Seriously? Seriously?" said Steele. "I can go all day long about what's wrong with Syria and economic policy and foreign policy with this administration. But I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here and say 'You need to show me your papers first.' That's not how this works."

steele otm there though of course later he goes on some bullshit about reagan

this is partly why Steele was fired.

Tru fact: Some time in 2006 or so, my wife and I were eating brunch at the Treaty of Paris in Annapolis. There was one other occupied table in the room and it was occupied by Michael Steele, who was in a garrulous mood. I don't know who he was talking to - a reporter or job applicant or sycophant or what - but I could not help eavesdropping.

He spoke of how he was in a seminary preparing for the priesthood when Ronald Reagan was shot. A few weeks later, the Pope was shot. "They're trying to assassinate my religious AND political heroes," he said. That's what led him to abandon the seminary and opt for public service instead.

I don't know whether he believed this tidy narrative or whether he'd repeated it a hundred times before and a hundred times after. Now he's on Morning Joe all the time and suchlike. A person like that, with a crafted persona? Who knows what the thinks or believes apart from what he calculates at any given moment?

But that brunch is etched in my memory.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/b2fc974d1d/between-two-ferns-with-zach-galifianakis-hillary-clinton?

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/b2fc974d1d/between-two-ferns-with-zach-galifianakis-hillary-clinton?_cc=__d___&_ccid=217c7650-7d41-490e-acf5-e5f3de97cb74

This is excrutiatingly unfunny.

Xp :)

xp That's an odd 'or', if you don't mind me saying - he could believe it and also repeat it a lot?

that was v funny + she really is unflappable. if she can handle galifianakis i feel much better about how she'll handle trump.

That was funny to you? Diff strokes I guess...

xp i think the unspoken bit is "or he repeated it so much he had come to believe it"

I don't remember any racism from the 1960s*, all those major black activists who were assassinated, like mlk and Malcolm x and all those protests were just cos of petty disturbances or something, right?

*most probably cos I was born in the late eighties.

#woke

A. Farrell: Fair point. Certainly he could both believe a narrative and also repeat it.

(In my defense the "or" it is accurate as far as my own knowledge is concerned; there are a lot of things I don't know. I don't know X or Y or Z; I don't know X and Y and Z. Grammatically speaking either conjunction fits.)