I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

A. Farrell: Fair point. Certainly he could both believe a narrative and also repeat it.

(In my defense the "or" it is accurate as far as my own knowledge is concerned; there are a lot of things I don't know. I don't know X or Y or Z; I don't know X and Y and Z. Grammatically speaking either conjunction fits.)

I watched Hillary's Between the Ferns and then immediately went back and rewatched Obama's. As with so many other things of this sort, she doesn't come off well in comparison (all the caveats of how Trump would doubtlessly fare far far worse and how this is far removed from being the kind of thing that suggests who's going to be a good president of course apply).

its like if Space Ghost got fat and grew a beard and lost his sense of humor

Some analysts credit the president's March 2014 appearance on Between Two Ferns with helping boost enrollment in Obamacare right when his administration needed it the most.

re: the civil rights movement, I get the impression a lot of people look at it as this moment where it was universally recognized that segregation was bad and MLK was a big hero and everything changed and now it's all better. People seem to miss or forget the fact that it was extremely contentious for huge parts of the country and an extremely hard fought battle to just move things forward a bit. And of course, all the negativity and opposition we see today facing BLM is very similar to many of things civil rights leaders dealt with in the 60s.

White people in Boston rioted over busing almost into the Carter administration. But we don't teach that in schools, so yeah, people think it all just went away after the early 60s.

BTW that woman above has already resigned: https://twitter.com/CandaceSmith_/status/778987696563875840

FWIW my kids did learn about the protests for desegregation in Boston public school busing.

the Mississippi public school had to be "re-desegregated" in 1988.

*my

I learned how my county (Arlington, VA) had its home rule school board revoked by the state after it became the first in VA to implement Brown v Board

Painful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EyoKB3ZHSc

cos you are a shitty candidate

it's like she needs a cane to wave as a prop or some shit

the West Wing cast is campaigning for her in Ohio this weekend

not anywhere near the Clue Train

haha man that's terrible. that's not an ad though - what is it?

dude wtf the Between Two Ferns with Hillary was awesome

"Do Chelsea and Ivanka ever talk on the phone about boys who might like them....like her Dad"

xpost

Published on Sep 22, 2016
Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton spoke about foe Donald Trump during a video conference of the Laborers' International Union of North America, saying, "Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?"

yikes at that video wow

"...a gathering in Las Vegas of the Laborers' International Union of North America."

I think I like her most when her guard drops and the rage comes through.

Ha, xposts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7QP9Zqge4s

tbf righteous indignation is kinda the MO of speakers at union gatherings

she's not particularly good at it though. Richard Trumka she is not.

am not linking to the NY Mag column that sez if Clinton loses, it's Sanders' fault. Of course!

wtf at that video

actually Morbz it'll be your fault

I think I like her most when her guard drops and the rage comes through.

she's not as good at this as say Elizabeth Warren but yeah a little energy is nice

"why aren't I ahead by 50 points" is a pretty legit question tbf

historians will review all of your valiant posts decrying her monstrosity and nod their heads, stroke their beards and say "yes, yes THIS was the turning point"

xp

btw I love how roundly the "I should be 50 points ahead" remark is being mocked by supporters of the candidate who said "I will get 95% of the African American vote"

no dude its that he will get 95% after his first term

believe me

"why aren't I ahead by 50 points"

bcz you're 8-16 years past your sell-by date, and people hate you.

also your most trenchant selling point is "I'm not the other guy"

but Clintons are eternal.

also your most trenchant selling point is "I'm not the other guy"

to be fair it's the only selling point she should need at this point

but yea this election is an indictment of both major parties

No it is not.

Raiders of the National Dysfunction

so does this reddit email deletion things have legs or nah? i can't tell if it's legit or not but if it is it...kinda is bad, right?

Hillary's righteousness stinks of such bullshit. She does not wear it well. She does wear wisdom and experience well, and works best when she is not over compensating (shouting) and trying to shove it down our throats. She's so defensive it's like she's constantly trying to be better than the other guy, when all she has to do is try to act like herself, because she *is* better than the other guy. Less of this topping Trump with policy, or numbers, or toughness. Trump is not about specifics. She just needs to stress repeatedly that he is a total shithead and disaster and hammer again and again at his failings as a businessman and as a human being.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/09/22/hillary_clinton_wants_to_raise_the_estate_tax_even_higher_than_bernie_did.html

ugh she's such a republican

so not gonna happen

Why not just say "I want to make sure Donald Trump's tax rate is at least x% ?" Because that puts him on defense, and brings up his taxes, and brings up his wealth, and brings up his gaming the system, *and* introduces her tax policy.

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/that-idiot-on-your-hunting-message-board-might-be-donal-1786882492

One of the more amusing bits of modernity is the chance that dumb rich folks use message boards like everybody else, so you might just encounter someone like Hijo de Trump on your gun fetishist board.

this election is an indictment of both major parties

For the past decade, Dems should have been cultivating younger leaders for the national spotlight, as it did with Obama. It would have benefited the future party to have some serious contenders for the nomination who weren't AARP members.

I assume they needed a few more years to ripen.

she's not as good at this as say Elizabeth Warren but yeah a little energy is nice

Hillary's righteousness stinks of such bullshit. She does not wear it well. She does wear wisdom and experience well, and works best when she is not over compensating (shouting) and trying to shove it down our throats

There's an egocentric hateful quality to HRC's rage that I sometimes feel like she is struggling to keep contained. I find it sort of beautiful in its rawness and intensity when it comes out.

also nobody who pays full price for a movie ticket, excepting martin o'malley, wanted to run this year just to lose to clinton xp

that video seems like.. totally par for the course! what are you guys reacting to here? it's obv that "why aren't i 50 points ahead" is self-deprecating and rhetorical and meant to lead on to the answer, which is that "we" haven't shined enough of a spotlight on trump's record. isn't it?

all she has to do is try to act like herself

Getting very 'after-school special' in this thread.

Well, if it's not raw rage and hatred bursting through, it's pretty awful as political rhetoric. I prefer to believe the former.