I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

Dr casino did the Clinton camp ask if you were interested in playing trump in the mock debates

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, September 26, 2016 10:25 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm glad you asked this question and the answer is yes they did, they have and they are still asking. Because they're desperate! They're so lost, it's a mess over there and they're doing so badly. So. Badly. In the polls - just today, Wyoming, Iowa, Montana, it's - very badly. So they were begging me. In fact, and this you can go and, the media are not reporting this but it's been in some of the papers that they have actually asked if I would take over for Hillary Clinton and run for that party also. They say "Donald - we need you! We can't win and you're winning so much!" This is people in her campaign are saying this because they don't trust her to get the job done and I will. Believe me. And so we talked about it and we negotiated and there were a lot of offers but we couldn't come to a deal because they are just the worst at making deals, terrible, but we were very close and I built a great company.

:) Exactly how many 'worst deals ever' were they last night?

lmao xp

Donald Trump on Tuesday morning responded Hillary Clinton's comment during the debate that Trump once called a beauty contest contestant "Miss Piggy," saying on "Fox and Friends" that the Miss Universe contestant had "gained a massive amount of weight."

Trump brought up Clinton's remarks about Alicia Machado, a former Miss Universe winner who Trump encouraged to lose weight after she won the crown in the 1990s, when he was asked if Clinton got under his skin. Trump said that Machado was the "absolute worst."

"She was the worst we ever had. The worst, the absolute worst. She was impossible, and she was a Miss Universe contestant and ultimately a winner who they had a tremendously difficult time with as Miss Universe," he said on "Fox and Friends."

"She was the winner, and, you know, she gained a massive amount of weight, and it was a real problem. We had a real problem. Not only that, her attitude, and we had a real problem with her," Trump continued. "So Hillary went back into the years and she found this girl. This was many years ago, and found the girl and talked about her like she was Mother Teresa, and it wasn't quite that way, but that's okay. Hillary has to do what she has to do. I see what's happening in the polls."

During the debate, Clinton used Trump's past comments about Machado to illustrate how he treats women.

"And one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest -- he loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them -- and he called this woman 'Miss Piggy,' then he called her 'Miss Housekeeping' because she was Latina," Clinton said during the debate.

that dean tweet went live! god bless the internet.

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CBS was really struggling trying to find pro-Trump tweets that were coherent and able to be show on-air. I think they showed the same Ari Fleischer one several times along with an old Trump tweet.

All the tweet really showed me was that Ari Fleischer is a dipshit

aren't Trump people deleting tweets anyway?

also fucking lol @ the cybersecurity question where Trump brings up how good his 10-year old son is with computers and doesn't say a thing about emails. he was so rattled.

― frogbs, Tuesday, September 27, 2016 8:22 AM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes, this was maybe my favorite non sequitur of them all. Just thrown in the middle of his garbled spew about 'cyber'. "I have a son. He's 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it's unbelievable." And then no further mention of his son or how that connects to concerns about 'cyber'.

Ari Fleischer is a dipshit... STOP THE PRESSES

Dean, after his kneecapping by the party via the Scream, has proven to be a standard-issue pig

i'm glad you guys aspire for your "side" to get as deep in the muck tho

Doc Casino, in all seriousness, you need to look into capitalizing on your talent for Trumpspeak. Ghostwrite a fake memoir or something. The world needs your talent.

i was flabbergasted he didn't bring up the insecure email server during the cyber attack portion. even I thought about that. what a fucking bozo

that would have been the obvious place to bring it up, yeah

I think Trump genuinely doesn't know how to react when people just take responsibility for something and apologize. His whole idea of hammering on the email issue kind of sputtered out when Clinton admitted fault?

Doc Casino, Groucho's Rufus T Firefly in Duck Soup is a clear model for Trump, you shd go see it

maybe in the jingoism? even Groucho's ridiculousness is more competent than just repeating the same phrase for emphasis

I think Trump genuinely doesn't know how to react when people just take responsibility for something and apologize.

see Trump half-heartedly going after the "Super Predator" comment-- You said a terrible thing, I think you apologized for it, it was bad. Clinton doesn't respond.

I wonder who picked up on the fact that if you don't respond to something he said, he completely forgets about it. Seems like a crucial weakness.

"She was the winner, and, you know, she gained a massive amount of weight, and it was a real problem. We had a real problem.

So, all those quotes in Hillary's ads that your supporters claim were taken out of context... you're attempting to supply more context on Fox and Friends? Great, here's another shovel, keep digging.

Trump really spent a lot of time last night patting himself on the back for shady business practices that aren't going to be well received by anyone but the most hard core Trump supporters. His whole idea of running our foreign policy like a business just doesn't line up with most American values. This article does a good job digging into his comments:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/09/donald_trump_vote_for_me_i_m_a_cheater_and_a_thief.html

In keeping with Trump's oft-reported tendency to parrot things he heard five minutes before, his uncharacteristic use of the word 'cavalier' after hearing Clinton use it elicited a cry of "You didn't know that word five minutes ago!" from my gf (who was sweating the potential fallout from last night way more than I was).

'braggadocious'

His boasts of selfish business - paying no taxes, stiffing people - are basically a new custom built ad. He brags he doesn't pay taxes because he is smart, and then doubles down that even if he did those taxes would be wasted. On, the ad could note, soldiers, infrastructure, you name it.

Clinton doesn't respond.

The same thing with the 30,000 emails jibe. She just ignored it, more or less. Trump could have made an impact if instead of getting defensive about his taxes, incoherently, he just said "she keeps secrets, too!" or some such BS. But he can't let anything go, even if it means missing opportunities to score points. I can only imagine what she prepared for, with research, numbers and retorts, that she never got to use. And may just next time (if there is a next time ...). Even her one or two lame prefabs, the trumped up trickle-down, the calls to fact check, sounded like they were invoked not because she needed to invoke them but because she felt like she had them ready and just wanted to find a place for them. But the attacks on him that came more naturally, the stuff on taxes, the stuff on women, the stuff on stamina, the birther stuff, that was a lot better.

If anything, she took it easy on him. She could have challenged him on any number of untruths but instead relied on Holt to introduce (some) of them. I can only assume when one of the later moderators inevitably brings up emails, computers, Benghazi or whatever, she's got plenty of ammunition to flip it in Trump's face like someone overturning a table.

Saw a funny exchange on PBS. One guest complained Clinton did not succeed in making herself more likable, and the host interrupts to ask, wait a minute, why doesn't anyone ask that of Trump? And the guests basically dismisses Trump as so innately unlikeable that being more likable is not even a goal he aspires to.

I sort of liked 'trumped-up trickle down' the first time she said it, because she sounded self-aware and faintly chagrined. Then she said it a second time.

In keeping with Trump's oft-reported tendency to parrot things he heard five minutes before, his uncharacteristic use of the word 'cavalier' after hearing Clinton use it elicited a cry of "You didn't know that word five minutes ago!" from my gf (who was sweating the potential fallout from last night way more than I was).

― Suddenly...Soup! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, September 27, 2016 10:13 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol i noticed this too, also anytime clinton had the first response to a policy question trump would take the good bits that she said and say "i agree with her"

I noticed another tic of his. When he's listening, he tends to nod his head, which makes it seem like he's not just listening but agreeing, but then he sort of lifts his chin up imperiously in judgement. Goes well his his invisible zipper move and that incredulous fish face he makes.

if HRC had made an off-hand comment about not paying taxes, there would be a special congressional investigation by noon today

The email thing was so awkward. She apologized for the email private server, his taxes get brought up, and he vows to release his tax returns if she releases the deleted email

ok buddy let me call my hacker friend, he's sitting at home on his bed with a big UNDELETE key that gets email back. it's called "deleted email" because it's gone, you douche

Saw a funny exchange on PBS. One guest complained Clinton did not succeed in making herself more likable, and the host interrupts to ask, wait a minute, why doesn't anyone ask that of Trump? And the guests basically dismisses Trump as so innately unlikeable that being more likable is not even a goal he aspires to.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, September 27, 2016 9:17 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not many candidates have taken the tack of just being nakedly debased on pretty much every conceivable level. When someone seems like they have something to hide, like they might be ashamed of the skeletons in their closet, you have a very obvious line of attack. But when they have no shame, when they respond to every charge against their lack of character with a "Yeah, so?"...where do you go? We're just lucky in Trump's case that his ego is so amazingly fragile that he'll never fail to shoot himself in the foot in attempting its defense.

do you guys remember in Bad Santa when there's a negotiation of how much of the robbery haul Bernie Mac's mall administrator character is going to get and he just keeps responding with "half," comically elongating the word and exaggerating the enunciation?

Trump almost pulled that off with "wrooooong" to the extent he even just barely-audibly mouthed it one time. I was thinking that maybe he walked into the wrong studio and thought he was in a comedy movie.

For the next debate, Clinton needs to clarify her message. The biggest thing Trump had going for him was a pretty clear message: Clinton represents the political class, their approach has been a failure, he will fix things by cutting taxes and treating everything like a business, being tough, having law and order, etc. It's all nonsense, but it tied together.

Clinton, otoh, had good individual points, but it wasn't clear how it all came together and exactly what she stood for beyond continuing things the way they are, which isn't a winning proposition.

She also needs to ditch some of the cute phrases and appeals to fact checkers.

Basically, she was great at attacking Trump, not so great at articulating her vision.

remember the last time "the political hacks are bad" was a strong message, we ended up with a lot of tea party candidates in the house, and their primary strength is their inability to cast votes for anything or compromise in any way

I'm genuinely unclear how Mr. Five-Children-with-Three-Wives thought he was gonna score a point by saying "Your husband cheated on you!"

because trump cares about dominance, not morality. hillary being cuckqueaned (as it were) makes her a loser; him getting laid makes him a winner

@mtaibbi
The irony of this is that this tariff spiel of Trump's was Dick Gephardt's platform in 1988.

sadly, the thing that struck me about "i've got a kid, he's ten years old" was how similar it was to john mccain's curious interjection "I've got a pen... this one's kinda old," and then how that got edited together by one of the wacky post-debate mashup squads into mccain declaring "i've got a pen" followed directly by obama proudly proclaiming "I have.. a computer!" and basically all this is a sign i have way too much stored in my brain of and relating to these debates.

re: duck soup, hmmm, guess it's playing tonight at 10! which is good, because i realize i have a schedule conflict for 'a night at the opera' on thursday afternoon.

re: ghostwriting a trump volume, this is very tempting i admit but i was sort of planning on finally putting together a dissertation prospectus.... damn. the possibility of combining these two projects has obviously occurred to me but i'm not sure how well that would go over with the committee.

the more I think about it, a 70 year old having a 10 year old kid is kind of weirding me out on its own

Funny seeing all the Trump Won narrative that the Moonies and Examiners are shilling.

If you were to read RCP front page you'd have no idea Trump was soundly beaten

xxp It would make citation a lot simpler. "cf. great journals, the best journals"

the facebook friend who works as a flight attendant has a pretty active post going about these airport comments

let me tell you, flight attendants definitely have opinions on these supposedly third-world airports

Bomb-cratered runways, rat kings nesting in the Cinnabons, CHUD hordes lurking in the can...it's a mess, believe me.

didn't watch, mercifully the laundromat last night had on an old SVU. twitter was hella entertaining tho. i'm glad it went badly for ol' donald.

the one moment i did catch on the way out was trump saying "and I have a better temperament than she does" and the split screen showing HRC with this hilarious shiteating grin

The email thing was so awkward. She apologized for the email private server, his taxes get brought up, and he vows to release his tax returns if she releases the deleted email

ok buddy let me call my hacker friend, he's sitting at home on his bed with a big UNDELETE key that gets email back. it's called "deleted email" because it's gone, you douche

Holt's reaction to this was great..."so it's negotiable?"

The wifi there, lemme tell ya, the worst!

the facebook friend who works as a flight attendant has a pretty active post going about these airport comments

let me tell you, flight attendants definitely have opinions on these supposedly third-world airports

TPM:

Donald Trump on Tuesday morning complained that during the Monday night debate, his microphone was malfunctioning and that the volume was lower than that of Hillary Clinton's microphone.

"I had a problem with a microphone that didn't work," he said on "Fox and Friends." "My microphone was terrible. I wonder, was it set up that way on purpose? My microphone, in the room they couldn't hear me, you know, it was going on and off. Which isn't exactly great. I wonder if it was set up that way, but it was terrible."

"It was on and off, and it was much lower than hers. I don't want to believe in conspiracy theories, of course, but it was much lower than hers and it was crackling, and she didn't have that problem," he added. "That to me was a bad problem, you have a bum mic, it’s not exactly good."

Trunmp also insisted that he does not have a cold or allergies when asked whether he was sniffling during the debate.

"No, no sniffles. No, You know, the mic was very bad, but maybe it was good enough to hear breathing, but there was no sniffles," he said on "Fox and Friends."

One of Trump's oddest tics is asserting that everyone agrees with him about some controversial point. Everyone agrees that Rosie O'Donnell deserves the things I said about her. Hillary agrees with me about stop and frisk but won't say so. I forget the context but I lolled when he said, "and I think you'll agree with me about this, because I've said it once before."

anyone else notice that the only talking points Donald had were page-churn bits that would run ad nauseum on right-wing sites?

- Hillary questioned Obama's origins when she ran against him, was so racist, repeatedly mentions her former campaign chair's name like some mantra
- Some video with a blue curtain (??) where Hillary is laughing or acting crazy, not quite sure I caught what this was about
- EMAIL MESSAGES
- Some numbers that an aide wrote for him on a note, but he kept switching from three thousand to four thousand, then kept switching the timeframe?
- Stop and frisk is actually very good, not unconstitutional

He also had some sort of inability to actually say Bill de Blasio's name.

do you guys remember in Bad Santa when there's a negotiation of how much of the robbery haul Bernie Mac's mall administrator character is going to get and he just keeps responding with "half," comically elongating the word and exaggerating the enunciation?

Trump almost pulled that off with "wrooooong" to the extent he even just barely-audibly mouthed it one time. I was thinking that maybe he walked into the wrong studio and thought he was in a comedy movie.

― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, September 27, 2016 10:26 AM (forty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol that specific wrong was so good

I haven't flown since 2008. Is it bad out there? All I hear about are the security lines.

What is each candidate's stance on CHUDs?

lol there actually was one point where you could tell Trump thought he wasn't loud enough and you ended up hearing his heavy breathing over Clinton's speaking for probably half a minute

What is each candidate's stance on CHUDs?

― Josh in Chicago,

DUDS