I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

Trump really spent a lot of time last night patting himself on the back for shady business practices that aren't going to be well received by anyone but the most hard core Trump supporters. His whole idea of running our foreign policy like a business just doesn't line up with most American values. This article does a good job digging into his comments:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/09/donald_trump_vote_for_me_i_m_a_cheater_and_a_thief.html

In keeping with Trump's oft-reported tendency to parrot things he heard five minutes before, his uncharacteristic use of the word 'cavalier' after hearing Clinton use it elicited a cry of "You didn't know that word five minutes ago!" from my gf (who was sweating the potential fallout from last night way more than I was).

'braggadocious'

His boasts of selfish business - paying no taxes, stiffing people - are basically a new custom built ad. He brags he doesn't pay taxes because he is smart, and then doubles down that even if he did those taxes would be wasted. On, the ad could note, soldiers, infrastructure, you name it.

Clinton doesn't respond.

The same thing with the 30,000 emails jibe. She just ignored it, more or less. Trump could have made an impact if instead of getting defensive about his taxes, incoherently, he just said "she keeps secrets, too!" or some such BS. But he can't let anything go, even if it means missing opportunities to score points. I can only imagine what she prepared for, with research, numbers and retorts, that she never got to use. And may just next time (if there is a next time ...). Even her one or two lame prefabs, the trumped up trickle-down, the calls to fact check, sounded like they were invoked not because she needed to invoke them but because she felt like she had them ready and just wanted to find a place for them. But the attacks on him that came more naturally, the stuff on taxes, the stuff on women, the stuff on stamina, the birther stuff, that was a lot better.

If anything, she took it easy on him. She could have challenged him on any number of untruths but instead relied on Holt to introduce (some) of them. I can only assume when one of the later moderators inevitably brings up emails, computers, Benghazi or whatever, she's got plenty of ammunition to flip it in Trump's face like someone overturning a table.

Saw a funny exchange on PBS. One guest complained Clinton did not succeed in making herself more likable, and the host interrupts to ask, wait a minute, why doesn't anyone ask that of Trump? And the guests basically dismisses Trump as so innately unlikeable that being more likable is not even a goal he aspires to.

I sort of liked 'trumped-up trickle down' the first time she said it, because she sounded self-aware and faintly chagrined. Then she said it a second time.

In keeping with Trump's oft-reported tendency to parrot things he heard five minutes before, his uncharacteristic use of the word 'cavalier' after hearing Clinton use it elicited a cry of "You didn't know that word five minutes ago!" from my gf (who was sweating the potential fallout from last night way more than I was).

― Suddenly...Soup! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, September 27, 2016 10:13 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol i noticed this too, also anytime clinton had the first response to a policy question trump would take the good bits that she said and say "i agree with her"

I noticed another tic of his. When he's listening, he tends to nod his head, which makes it seem like he's not just listening but agreeing, but then he sort of lifts his chin up imperiously in judgement. Goes well his his invisible zipper move and that incredulous fish face he makes.

if HRC had made an off-hand comment about not paying taxes, there would be a special congressional investigation by noon today

The email thing was so awkward. She apologized for the email private server, his taxes get brought up, and he vows to release his tax returns if she releases the deleted email

ok buddy let me call my hacker friend, he's sitting at home on his bed with a big UNDELETE key that gets email back. it's called "deleted email" because it's gone, you douche

Saw a funny exchange on PBS. One guest complained Clinton did not succeed in making herself more likable, and the host interrupts to ask, wait a minute, why doesn't anyone ask that of Trump? And the guests basically dismisses Trump as so innately unlikeable that being more likable is not even a goal he aspires to.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, September 27, 2016 9:17 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not many candidates have taken the tack of just being nakedly debased on pretty much every conceivable level. When someone seems like they have something to hide, like they might be ashamed of the skeletons in their closet, you have a very obvious line of attack. But when they have no shame, when they respond to every charge against their lack of character with a "Yeah, so?"...where do you go? We're just lucky in Trump's case that his ego is so amazingly fragile that he'll never fail to shoot himself in the foot in attempting its defense.

do you guys remember in Bad Santa when there's a negotiation of how much of the robbery haul Bernie Mac's mall administrator character is going to get and he just keeps responding with "half," comically elongating the word and exaggerating the enunciation?

Trump almost pulled that off with "wrooooong" to the extent he even just barely-audibly mouthed it one time. I was thinking that maybe he walked into the wrong studio and thought he was in a comedy movie.

For the next debate, Clinton needs to clarify her message. The biggest thing Trump had going for him was a pretty clear message: Clinton represents the political class, their approach has been a failure, he will fix things by cutting taxes and treating everything like a business, being tough, having law and order, etc. It's all nonsense, but it tied together.

Clinton, otoh, had good individual points, but it wasn't clear how it all came together and exactly what she stood for beyond continuing things the way they are, which isn't a winning proposition.

She also needs to ditch some of the cute phrases and appeals to fact checkers.

Basically, she was great at attacking Trump, not so great at articulating her vision.

remember the last time "the political hacks are bad" was a strong message, we ended up with a lot of tea party candidates in the house, and their primary strength is their inability to cast votes for anything or compromise in any way

I'm genuinely unclear how Mr. Five-Children-with-Three-Wives thought he was gonna score a point by saying "Your husband cheated on you!"

because trump cares about dominance, not morality. hillary being cuckqueaned (as it were) makes her a loser; him getting laid makes him a winner

@mtaibbi
The irony of this is that this tariff spiel of Trump's was Dick Gephardt's platform in 1988.

sadly, the thing that struck me about "i've got a kid, he's ten years old" was how similar it was to john mccain's curious interjection "I've got a pen... this one's kinda old," and then how that got edited together by one of the wacky post-debate mashup squads into mccain declaring "i've got a pen" followed directly by obama proudly proclaiming "I have.. a computer!" and basically all this is a sign i have way too much stored in my brain of and relating to these debates.

re: duck soup, hmmm, guess it's playing tonight at 10! which is good, because i realize i have a schedule conflict for 'a night at the opera' on thursday afternoon.

re: ghostwriting a trump volume, this is very tempting i admit but i was sort of planning on finally putting together a dissertation prospectus.... damn. the possibility of combining these two projects has obviously occurred to me but i'm not sure how well that would go over with the committee.

the more I think about it, a 70 year old having a 10 year old kid is kind of weirding me out on its own

Funny seeing all the Trump Won narrative that the Moonies and Examiners are shilling.

If you were to read RCP front page you'd have no idea Trump was soundly beaten

xxp It would make citation a lot simpler. "cf. great journals, the best journals"

the facebook friend who works as a flight attendant has a pretty active post going about these airport comments

let me tell you, flight attendants definitely have opinions on these supposedly third-world airports

Bomb-cratered runways, rat kings nesting in the Cinnabons, CHUD hordes lurking in the can...it's a mess, believe me.

didn't watch, mercifully the laundromat last night had on an old SVU. twitter was hella entertaining tho. i'm glad it went badly for ol' donald.

the one moment i did catch on the way out was trump saying "and I have a better temperament than she does" and the split screen showing HRC with this hilarious shiteating grin

The email thing was so awkward. She apologized for the email private server, his taxes get brought up, and he vows to release his tax returns if she releases the deleted email

ok buddy let me call my hacker friend, he's sitting at home on his bed with a big UNDELETE key that gets email back. it's called "deleted email" because it's gone, you douche

Holt's reaction to this was great..."so it's negotiable?"

The wifi there, lemme tell ya, the worst!

the facebook friend who works as a flight attendant has a pretty active post going about these airport comments

let me tell you, flight attendants definitely have opinions on these supposedly third-world airports

TPM:

Donald Trump on Tuesday morning complained that during the Monday night debate, his microphone was malfunctioning and that the volume was lower than that of Hillary Clinton's microphone.

"I had a problem with a microphone that didn't work," he said on "Fox and Friends." "My microphone was terrible. I wonder, was it set up that way on purpose? My microphone, in the room they couldn't hear me, you know, it was going on and off. Which isn't exactly great. I wonder if it was set up that way, but it was terrible."

"It was on and off, and it was much lower than hers. I don't want to believe in conspiracy theories, of course, but it was much lower than hers and it was crackling, and she didn't have that problem," he added. "That to me was a bad problem, you have a bum mic, it’s not exactly good."

Trunmp also insisted that he does not have a cold or allergies when asked whether he was sniffling during the debate.

"No, no sniffles. No, You know, the mic was very bad, but maybe it was good enough to hear breathing, but there was no sniffles," he said on "Fox and Friends."

One of Trump's oddest tics is asserting that everyone agrees with him about some controversial point. Everyone agrees that Rosie O'Donnell deserves the things I said about her. Hillary agrees with me about stop and frisk but won't say so. I forget the context but I lolled when he said, "and I think you'll agree with me about this, because I've said it once before."

anyone else notice that the only talking points Donald had were page-churn bits that would run ad nauseum on right-wing sites?

- Hillary questioned Obama's origins when she ran against him, was so racist, repeatedly mentions her former campaign chair's name like some mantra
- Some video with a blue curtain (??) where Hillary is laughing or acting crazy, not quite sure I caught what this was about
- EMAIL MESSAGES
- Some numbers that an aide wrote for him on a note, but he kept switching from three thousand to four thousand, then kept switching the timeframe?
- Stop and frisk is actually very good, not unconstitutional

He also had some sort of inability to actually say Bill de Blasio's name.

do you guys remember in Bad Santa when there's a negotiation of how much of the robbery haul Bernie Mac's mall administrator character is going to get and he just keeps responding with "half," comically elongating the word and exaggerating the enunciation?

Trump almost pulled that off with "wrooooong" to the extent he even just barely-audibly mouthed it one time. I was thinking that maybe he walked into the wrong studio and thought he was in a comedy movie.

― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, September 27, 2016 10:26 AM (forty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol that specific wrong was so good

I haven't flown since 2008. Is it bad out there? All I hear about are the security lines.

What is each candidate's stance on CHUDs?

lol there actually was one point where you could tell Trump thought he wasn't loud enough and you ended up hearing his heavy breathing over Clinton's speaking for probably half a minute

What is each candidate's stance on CHUDs?

― Josh in Chicago,

DUDS

Weird, Trump's mic seemed to be working well enough that it picked up every moment of errant respiration. But there's always something unfair, isn't there, Donnie? If it wasn't the microphone, maybe the ice in your water was the wrong shape or the stain on your lectern was a distractingly horrible shade. It's just horrible how unfairly you've been treated. There there, let the tears flow.

aren't Trump people deleting tweets anyway?

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, September 27, 2016 9:43 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes they redacted a number of his crazier ones in real time last night as the debate progressed. But of course ppl were watching and keeping track and they're all securely screencapped.

how's life, it's fine. outside of o'hare being a complete shitshow for reasons mostly unrelated to the facilities, my flying experience has been fine. even the security line at 6AM at said airport, one of the busiest in the country, was maybe 20 minutes? honestly a few airlines are having all kinds of issues with an inability to address delays and cancellations in any reasonable way but that's not really a problem with the facilities

note that Trump has a private jet and, afaik, would never go into the terminal. so he's either complaining about having to wait for lots of air traffic (which indicates a healthy air transport/travel industry?), or his own damn hangar. maybe the saudis let him disembark in a gold-lined hangar, idk

O'hare's always been a shitshow.

the drudge alternative universe is pretty entertaining this morning

god that site is ugly

I mean just to look at

content is pretty ugly too tbf

he hasn't updated the site layout since the clinton era iirc

LOLed so hard when, after successfully conjuring Serious Trump for the first 5 minutes, he immediately got goaded by the first thing she said about him and switched back

also there were a couple moments my friend and I caught where Trump was nodding approvingly to Hillary bashing him, and then suddenly caught himself and stiffened up

There's always something unfair with Trump, it's never his own fault. When he returns from his first trip to Russia, and reveals he had to agree to hand over Alaska, he will be 'They gave me a small chair, it was so rigged, you wouldn't believe. Now, I'd like to think the best of Putin, but it was not good, I tell you.'

someone on facebook wrote something like: it must suck when you really need to go to the bathroom to do another bump of coke but you're in the middle of a Presidential debate.

cuz he really was starting to lose it addict-style.

- Some video with a blue curtain (??) where Hillary is laughing or acting crazy, not quite sure I caught what this was about

This would be the teleconference to the Laborers' International Union, last week, I guess? It doesn't have a blue curtain, but he's not a details person.

There's always something unfair with Trump, it's never his own fault. When he returns from his first trip to Russia, and reveals he had to agree to hand over Alaska, he will be 'They gave me a small chair, it was so rigged, you wouldn't believe. Now, I'd like to think the best of Putin, but it was not good, I tell you.'

― Frederik B, Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:31 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i feel like this trait is utterly trademark narcissist sociopath

all of his "pro negotiation tactics" are him strongarming people until they do what he wants, and then never doing business with them again

do you think a contractor who does $20k worth of work, only for Trump to say "I'll give you $5k or you get nothing" is ever going to work for him again? how does that play out when the other party is South Korea?

Lolz:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahjewell/a-very-against-police-judge?utm_term=.hkY9Y57w9#.tr5xr7MNx

there was no sniffles

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-a8sTtbndlro/UfmAQD-z4hI/AAAAAAAAV9E/NIFLc8DzMv0/s1600/Screen+Shot+2013-07-31+at+22.22.58.png