I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

Giuliani - a man who cheated on his wife with a staff member - tearing into a woman who had to endure the same shit as his ex-wife. all class that guy. what a shitbag.

Dude literally answered a 'how to heal the racial divide' question with 'LAW AND ORDER' ffs

the Clinton affair stuff is really interesting as a political tack - does Team Trump really think that's going to cut into Clinton's support with women and shift women's votes over to Trump? As with the race stuff, it's a completely lunkheaded mis-reading of the audience, baffling in both its transparent hypocrisy and its likelihood to backfire.

I'm willing to bet his handlers specifically told him to avoid making reference to Bill's extra-marital activities but he thought to himself, c'mon this stuff is gold, it'll make her head spin.

so, 12 days to the next debate. will trump show up? will he prepare any more or less than this time? will he have his people, the best people, set up his microphone in soundcheck?

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There would've been absolutely nothing to gain from it other than a brief moment of self-satisfaction before she tore him to shreds with her well-prepared response.

next one is town hall, right? Every questioner will clearly be a crisis actor.

so, 12 days to the next debate. will trump show up? will he prepare any more or less than this time? will he have his people, the best people, set up his microphone in soundcheck?

― mookieproof, Tuesday, September 27, 2016 1:37 PM (forty-two seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think the same thing as last night is gonna happen - for the first 15-20 minutes he'll be on point and disciplined but after that he'll start losing it and become more and more unhinged

I don't know, Trump might just stay home next time. He was treated so unfairly, so horribly. Disgraceful. He doesn't need it. Maybe he'll sue the soundcheck guy from last night.

I think there's a lot of evidence that trump is the kinda person who probably wouldn't benefit at all from cramming for a debate

it's not like he's going to join toastmasters and actually learn the art of public speaking at this point. just going to keep rolling with the practiced repetitive phrases and a handful of points he jots down two hours before he hits the podium

town hall probably a better venue for Trump cuz he will have an audience to play to

Well, he sort of has a point, that he's made it this far propelled by BS rather than preparation. Barely organized, definitely not disciplined, etc. Why change now? He'd rather gamble with low stakes (his personal/ financial investment) and high rewards (the White House), which is sort of how he's run his business, with other people's money, letting others take the fall. When he was boasting of his new DC hotel last night, he even gave one of the more telling DGAF lines, about how he's in DC whether he gets the White House or no. Because he really does not give a fuck.

xpost Audience was not exactly chill and mute last night.

I think there's a lot of evidence that trump is the kinda person who probably wouldn't benefit at all from cramming for a debate

I dunno how true this is but apparently his campaign WAS training him for the debates for weeks and if so then lol

I think the best debate prep for trump would actually be a bunch of staffers trying to bait him while he tries to keep his cool

which obviously would never actually happen because he has a winning temperament etc. etc.

Audience was not exactly chill and mute last night.

it was compared to his rallies and the GOP primary debates

xpost Audience was not exactly chill and mute last night.

yeah after a while it seemed like they realized that there wasn't really anything holt wasn't gonna shame them into being quiet

but if they're supposed to be totally quiet, why even have an audience?

er, I combined two sentences, make that

" wasn't really anything holt could do and he wasn't gonna shame them into being quiet"

tbh I think he does best with a feedback loop where he says things, gauges what he said that the audience responded to, and then just gives them more of the same. some of the transcripts of his campaign rallies make no sense because you're missing the audience reactions, and you just see a series of variations on the same words and phrases until it's boiled down to the shortest blurb, which he then barks at the crowd as people cheer

he gets some really weird reactions when he reuses those phrases, like running into a room and shouting "take the oil!" isn't going to go over as well

town hall probably a better venue for Trump cuz he will have an audience to play to

Yeah, this is worrisome to me. Plus, the fact that the press still really, really fucking hates her, and can't believe they had to declare her the winner of last night's - they're going to be gunning for her hard at the next one.

bet you're wondering what Dilbert's Dad thought of the debate

well, guess what...YOU IDIOTS probably thought Clinton won, but actually

But the most interesting question has to do with what problem both of them were trying to solve with the debate. Clinton tried to look healthy, and as I mentioned, I don’t think she completely succeeded. But Trump needed to solve exactly one problem: Look less scary. Trump needed to counter Clinton’s successful branding of him as having a bad temperament to the point of being dangerous to the country. Trump accomplished exactly that…by…losing the debate.

Trump was defensive, and debated poorly at points, but he did not look crazy. And pundits noticed that he intentionally avoided using his strongest attacks regarding Bill Clinton’s scandals. In other words, he showed control. He stayed in the presidential zone under pressure. And in so doing, he solved for his only remaining problem. He looked safer.

By tomorrow, no one will remember what either of them said during the debate. But we will remember how they made us feel.

Clinton won the debate last night. And while she was doing it, Trump won the election. He had one thing to accomplish – being less scary – and he did it.

lmao

And pundits noticed that he intentionally avoided using his strongest attacks regarding Bill Clinton’s scandals.

oh man, I bet those are some strong attacks.

the strongest, really great attacks

If he got someone with above-average intelligence to write his content, Scott Adams's impersonation of an intelligent person would be uncanny.

trump needs to stop making musolini face but i'm pretty sure its his 'serious man' face like on this cover of this awesome book

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/517ndDjPaFL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

yeah if Trump is a poor man's idea of what a rich man is like then Adams is an idiot's idea of what a smart person sounds like

not that he likely put this much thought into it but trump was wise to avoid attacks on bill's conduct since it's liable that hillary had one of her more well-rehearsed responses on deck. also as people have pointed out it might make her look sympathetic

man what if the people in the town hall boo him

they laughed at him at the temperament comment last night

Trump alludes to Bill Clinton five minutes after the debate is over, to congratulate himself on his self-control in not alluding to Bill Clinton. That is some presidential zone.

Adams is an idiot's idea of what a smart person sounds like

no that's Newt Gingrich

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKnxwpUqCkdb5Li/giphy.gif

I'm mesmerized by all the shimmying

thought that was another great moment for her. She laughed at Trump being ridiculous and looked both confident and human.

Gingrich is an idiot's idea of what a moron sounds like.

I feel like Hillary needs to bring up Curiel and the Khans again.. this moron cant stop bringing up his 'greatest hits'

how is Newt doing 'pro-Trump' commentary when he's on record saying "no one knows what Trump will do as president, including Trump"?

You may have missed the thing where a number of republicans give mealy mouthed support to Trump out one side of their mouth while expressing thinly-veiled contempt and dismay out of the other.

All that matters is what people feel at any given moment.

town hall probably a better venue for Trump cuz he will have an audience to play to

nah don't forget he's horrible at this too

http://i.imgur.com/gSGz4SS.gif

if they fill the auditorium with undecided voters then I can't wait to find out what this crowd of, to quote WGW, "diaper drinkers," comes up with

getting increasingly worried about Piers Morgan's mental health

This, remember, was his first ever one-on-one TV political debate, and overall Trump did a perfectly competent if not compelling job. [...] I admire [his] resilience, it’s what makes him a strong and very dangerous opponent.

don't think he's mentally ill fwiw, he's just a total prick

also completely idiotic about American politics

Conway told CNN that Trump was prepared to bring up Bill Clinton’s marital indiscretions during the debate, but that he made a “a split-second spontaneous decision” not to raise the issue. That will earn him points with female voters, she said.

“I think that whole exchange will grow in importance over the next couple of days,” she said. “Women will like that.”

quality strategizing, do go on

"Donald told me afterwards that he very nearly punched her right in the stomach, but he displayed amazing restraint and didn't resort to any kind of physical violence. I think those are exactly the qualities women are looking for in a presidential candidate."

begging for credit for not doing something bad is what a 6 year old does

Reaction roundup

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/09/27/daily-202-why-even-republicans-think-clinton-won-the-first-debate/57e9b033e9b69b3019a1e037/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_daily202-930am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

the biggest evidence that Clinton "won" is that today Trump's campaign is defensive + doing damage control + lashing out randomly and Clinton is just doing her usual boring workmanlike stuff. Trump has Giuliani out there bitching about the details of the stop and frisk ruling, Conway is clarifying that Trump doesn't think climate change is man-made, Trump is making pathetic refs to Lewinsky,, chewing out Machado, his microphone etc. This is not the picture of a campaign that feels good about its performance. The points its having to defend/address aren't going to go well with target demos (african americans, women, latinos, non-morons) which just means bad press for the next couple cycles. Poll numbers will drop a bit accordingly I suspect.