I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

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""Do I think at 70 years old he has a cocaine habit? Probably not," he said. "But it's something that I think would be interesting to ask him, to see if he ever had a problem with that."

hahaha

akm, Thursday, 29 September 2016 04:04 (seven years ago) link

xps another tactical blunder - decades of polling show a reliable majority of americans are in favor of candy.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 29 September 2016 04:05 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y44QZNVXzhE&sns=em

otm in the rain (Eazy), Thursday, 29 September 2016 04:20 (seven years ago) link

not sure what that is.

But Gary Johnson (who for some reason is still getting airtime) wasn't able to name one world leader he looked up to tonight and said he was having an Aleppo moment. He should have just answered "Aleppo" to the question, at least it would have been funny

akm, Thursday, 29 September 2016 04:45 (seven years ago) link

Aleppo Marx

wookin pa nub (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 29 September 2016 10:20 (seven years ago) link

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-cuban-embargo-castro-violated-florida-504059

Documents show that the Trump company spent a minimum of $68,000 for its 1998 foray into Cuba at a time when the corporate expenditure of even a penny in the Caribbean country was prohibited without U.S. government approval. But the company did not spend the money directly. Instead, with Trump’s knowledge, executives funneled the cash for the Cuba trip through an American consulting firm called Seven Arrows Investment and Development Corporation. Once the business consultants traveled to the island and incurred the expenses for the venture, Seven Arrows instructed senior officers with Trump’s company—then called Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts—how to make it appear legal by linking it after-the-fact to a charitable effort.

The payment by Trump Hotels came just before the New York business mogul launched his first bid for the White House, seeking the nomination of the Reform Party. On his first day of the campaign, he traveled to Miami where he spoke to a group of Cuban-Americans, a critical voting bloc in the swing state. Trump vowed to maintain the embargo and never spend his or his companies’ money in Cuba until Fidel Castro was removed from power.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 September 2016 11:01 (seven years ago) link

Sounds really smart!

ArchCarrier, Thursday, 29 September 2016 11:09 (seven years ago) link

I love how the press is finally getting to work in these waning weeks, like the slackers they are. "Oh shit, the election is when!? Better start digging!"

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 September 2016 12:02 (seven years ago) link

"finally"

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 29 September 2016 12:10 (seven years ago) link

I wonder to what extent the media has been pulling the ol' rope-a-dope. The memory of the electorate is short, why not wait until the eleventh hour to release the deluge.

I Still Don't Regret My Crazy Town Neck Tat, and Here's Why (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 September 2016 12:11 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, good luck with that:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/saving-gop-for-capitalism?utm_term=.po56KPVzW#.fggyo3KD6

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 September 2016 14:33 (seven years ago) link

And to replace religious conservatives in the Republican coalition with low-wage workers, he warned, would require a new set of “tough, and perhaps even odious compromises.”

First, he said, the government would have to intervene in trade policy to force other countries to spend more of their savings on U.S. exports — a system he calls “balanced trade.” In his new book, he lays out a system of import licenses to enforce this — a system, he admitted when he came by BuzzFeed in New York last week, many of his friends on the right will hate.

The second plan is, by the open market standards of the Wall Street Journal and the American business class, even more radical.

“Unfortunately, I think we have to dial down low-skilled immigration,” he said. “No employer is going to go through the effort to employ hard-to-employ workers unless there’s a shortage of labor, and there’s not going to be a shortage of labor in a world where there is a near infinite supply of labor unless we create it. And, if we do create it, it’s going to put pressure on employers to hire those workers and find jobs for them because they’ll be the only workers left to hire.”

Conard offered one bright lining to compensate: a dramatic increase — in immigration at the very high end. Say, 5 million new engineers and scientists and other groups of workers who are hard to find and expensive to pay.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 September 2016 14:40 (seven years ago) link

xpost I should specify that, when I say 'the media', I actually mean 'legitimate journalists'. I thoroughly expect the media on the whole to steadfastly maintain their status quo as a horde of worthless pigfuckers.

I Still Don't Regret My Crazy Town Neck Tat, and Here's Why (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 September 2016 14:43 (seven years ago) link

@dick_nixon
The fellow's whole damn reason for running is the legalization of marijuana yet you are shocked he can't think straight.

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 29 September 2016 14:53 (seven years ago) link

I thought it was the jews and psychiatrists who wanted it legal

“a tub of horses” (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:03 (seven years ago) link

mocking marijuana users as being dumb is definitely fresh + hot material for which we need a dick nixon twitter feed (and morbius aggregator/automatic posting device).

Mordy, Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:07 (seven years ago) link

FWIW, I don't think fresh + hot material is what the Nixon twitter is meant to provide.

I Still Don't Regret My Crazy Town Neck Tat, and Here's Why (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:12 (seven years ago) link

It's more: I wonder, what would Laugh In! have to say about this election?

I Still Don't Regret My Crazy Town Neck Tat, and Here's Why (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link

you're a fuckshit dumbass, Mordy

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link

you just can't learn that kind of timing

A bear made of Tetris blocks (stevie), Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:21 (seven years ago) link

you can if yer baked

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:22 (seven years ago) link

what's the opposite of a zing

the devastation is very important to me (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:26 (seven years ago) link

a Morbs post

A bear made of Tetris blocks (stevie), Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:30 (seven years ago) link

BOOM

a (waterface), Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:32 (seven years ago) link

here's a good endorsement of Clinton well-worth reading, if you have the time

http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/09/28/ssc-endorses-clinton-johnson-or-stein/

a good bit on why Trump winning would be a disaster for the GOP:

The interesting thing about this election is that college-educated whites are also moving into the Democratic column. If the latest polls are to be believed, the demographic – which favored Romney by 14 points last election – favors Clinton by 8 points now. The nightmare scenario is that Trump wins, his style of anti-intellectual populism is cemented as Official New Republican Ideology, and every educated person switches to the Democrats.

I’m not 100% this would be bad – maybe educated people who are temperamentally conservative would pull the Democratic Party a little to the right, turning them into a broad moderate coalition which has no problem winning elections and combines the smartest elements of liberal and conservative thought. But more likely, there’s a vicious cycle where the lack of intelligent conservatives guts the system of think tanks that produce the sort of studies and analyses which convince smart people to become conservative, which in turn makes there even fewer intelligent conservatives, and so on. In the end, intellectuals won’t just vote Democrat; they’ll shift their personal views further to the left to fit in. We already have a problem with a glut of leftist researchers and journalists producing evidence why leftists are right about everything, and a shortage of conservative researchers and journalists to fact-check them and present the opposite case. As intelligent people desert the Republican Party, this situation gets worse and we lose access to any knowledge that Vox doesn’t want to write an explainer on. In the worst case scenario, everybody develops a hard-coded association between “conservative” and “stupid people”, even more than they have already, the academies purge the hell out of everyone even slightly to the right of the loudest activist, and the only alternative is The Donald Trump Institute Of Research That Is Going To Be Absolutely Yuuuuuuge, which busies itself putting out white papers to a coalition of illiterates.

frogbs, Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:34 (seven years ago) link

Nah, that's pretty dumb. Right wing intelligentsia is already mainly stupid thoughts bought by the Koch brothers from prestigious institutions, his complaint is mainly that Donald Trump wouldn't sell the lies as well.

Frederik B, Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:47 (seven years ago) link

Conservatism IS stupid :)

Frederik B, Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:47 (seven years ago) link

Rubio officially "deeply concerned" about Trump doing business in Cuba.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:48 (seven years ago) link

Actually, that was wrong of me. Conservatism is wrong, but that doesn't necessarily make it stupid.

Frederik B, Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:48 (seven years ago) link

you're a fuckshit dumbass, Mordy

lol that's rich coming from you

Mordy, Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:53 (seven years ago) link

WRT to conservative journals, research, etc been wanting to read this guy's book

http://cehdvision2020.umn.edu/cehd-blog/conservative-think-tanks/

Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:56 (seven years ago) link

I think the rotten core at conservatism's intellectual roots is traceable to its disingenuousness from the late 19th and into the 20th century - you'd have these eloquent, well-educated guys putting forth relatively sophisticated and outwardly principled arguments about states' rights and the benefits of the free market, but they were being put forward in the service of more base, self-serving rationales (white supremacy, self-enrichment) that the proponents knew could not be expressed publicly. This thought is only half-formed tbf...

Οὖτις, Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:57 (seven years ago) link

Haha, even the Detroit News has to endorse Johnson:

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/editorials/2016/09/28/endorse-johnson-president/91254412/

'
Today this newspaper does something it has never done in its 143-year history: endorse someone other than the Republican candidate in a presidential contest.

Since its founding in 1873, The Detroit News has backed a Republican every time it has made a presidential endorsement (three times we have sat on the sidelines — twice during the Franklin Roosevelt elections and in the 2004 Bush/Kerry contest).

We abandon that long and estimable tradition this year for one reason: Donald J. Trump.'

(rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:57 (seven years ago) link

But this is an endorsement of conscience, reflecting our confidence that Johnson would be a competent and capable president and an honorable one.

am i thinking of a different gary johnson here cuz the libertarian gary johnson is a total fucking moron

the devastation is very important to me (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 29 September 2016 15:59 (seven years ago) link

I assumed they were talking about Lyndon Johnson

Οὖτις, Thursday, 29 September 2016 16:00 (seven years ago) link

(xpost)

Yeah, "smart" conservatives are defined by bad faith argumentation.

Dan I., Thursday, 29 September 2016 16:01 (seven years ago) link

Has any paper endorsed Trump besides the paper his son in law owns? And his buddies at the National Enquirer?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 September 2016 16:01 (seven years ago) link

lyndon 'gary' johnson, 36th president of the waco magic: the gathering society

the devastation is very important to me (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 29 September 2016 16:05 (seven years ago) link

An Aleppo moment: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/aleppo-hospital-1.3781938

lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Thursday, 29 September 2016 16:20 (seven years ago) link

But more likely, there’s a vicious cycle where the lack of intelligent conservatives guts the system of think tanks that produce the sort of studies and analyses which convince smart people to become conservative, which in turn makes there even fewer intelligent conservatives, and so on. In the end, intellectuals won’t just vote Democrat; they’ll shift their personal views further to the left to fit in.

huh. what a bunch of weak-willed losers.

serge thoroughgoods (will), Thursday, 29 September 2016 16:47 (seven years ago) link

uh, kingfish - re: http://cehdvision2020.umn.edu/cehd-blog/conservative-think-tanks/

If you follow politics, whether on cable news, newspapers or online, you’ve seen experts from conservative organizations like the Brookings Institute, the Center for American Progress or the American Enterprise Institute commenting on matters of foreign relations, domestic policy and the economy.

So what's this guys definition of conservative, exactly?

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Thursday, 29 September 2016 16:52 (seven years ago) link

voting in iowa started today

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 29 September 2016 16:56 (seven years ago) link

'So what's this guys definition of conservative, exactly?'

Beats me. He's gotta define his term somewhere, I'm guessing.

(rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Thursday, 29 September 2016 17:07 (seven years ago) link

From the WSJ review of the book, it seems he's pretty clear which are conservative and which are not, with the AEI clearly falling into that latter camp.

(rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Thursday, 29 September 2016 17:18 (seven years ago) link

I liked this David Roberts bit, analyzing Trumpspeech from a functional/linguistic approach:

What he’s doing is trying to establish dominance — to win, in his words. That’s what he uses words for. That’s how he sees every interaction in which he is involved. He is attuned only to what the words are doing, whether they are winning or losing, not to what they mean.

This point helps explain why Trump cannot ever admit a mistake or an error. He can only process accusations — of dishonesty, of cruelty — as social gambits, not as factual claims. To him, the demand that he apologize or admit error is nothing more than a dominance play. Apologizing is losing.

It helps explain why Trump has focused so much on trade, and why he sounds so much stronger and more confident talking about it than on almost any other subject. It’s not that he knows anything about it. He doesn’t. It’s just that he sees all international relations — trade deals, climate deals, NATO, whatever — as zero-sum contests, negotiations in which the only relevant question is who will dominate, who will win. And he gets that. It’s his whole life!

It helps explain why Trump has such a long and rich history of defrauding investors, refusing to pay contractors, using his charitable foundation as a piggybank, and declaring bankruptcy to escape debt. Contracts and promises are just plays in the game, not words that carry meanings or create obligations. You sign them or say them when you need to, to win whatever negotiation you are in, and then they are gone like smoke.

http://www.vox.com/2016/9/29/13086236/trump-beliefs-category-error

(rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Thursday, 29 September 2016 18:08 (seven years ago) link

^ That seems like a fair assessment of Trump's ethos as revealed by his words and actions.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 29 September 2016 18:13 (seven years ago) link

Scholars & Writers for America

Given our choices in the presidential election, we believe that Donald Trump is the candidate most likely to restore the promise of America, and we urge you to support him as we do.

http://amgreatness.com/2016/09/28/writes-scholars-for-trump/

wow, george gilder, callista AND newt gingrich, david horowitz, michael ledeen??? damn

goole, Thursday, 29 September 2016 18:16 (seven years ago) link

Hey look a nicely put reddit comment. What we already know, but succinct and relevant to the debate because his confident tone is unlikely to waver and that's all much of the population will focus on when they assess how he performed.

[–]HBlight [score hidden] 5 hours ago
He is a salesman first and foremost, and he does not want you to care about the product, he just wants to sell it, he wants you to buy a feeling in order to make the sale. So if he wants you to buy the idea that something is good or bad, he is going to load his speech with everything he can to leave you with the impression that the thing feels good or bad. He speaks bluntly and with absolute confidence even when not making sense, because making sense is not the goal, you buying the feeling is the goal.

― Evan, Friday, September 23, 2016 12:35 PM (six days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

xp

Evan, Thursday, 29 September 2016 18:20 (seven years ago) link

Been waiting for Kaleb Horton's monster piece on the conventions and it's out:

http://www.mtv.com/news/2937584/how-i-spent-my-summer-vacation/

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 September 2016 18:31 (seven years ago) link

another neat bit on language, and the crowd for whom "truthiness" is an accurate descriptor, since what determines the truthfulness of a statement is its emotional aspect, that it is said with "passionate sincerity" and "sincere passion," rather than its accuracy in corresponding to external reality. Also gets into why fuckheads loudly chafe at "political correctness."

(rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Thursday, 29 September 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link


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