Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/29/daniel-hannan-the-man-who-brought-you-brexit

Coming to post that. Fucking Hannan is the slipperiest, most odious, most cunt of all the Brexiters.

Jesus, what a repulsive cast of characters in that piece.

“It passes by as the idle wind that I respect not”

0_o

not sure how well sam kriss goes down on ilx but I agree with him on the (never spoken) terrifying incoherence and unpredictability of how people vote and the concomitant desperate pretentiousness behind the obsession with electability
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/labour-and-electability-sam-kriss

It's a good article but I don't know why he's surprised that people love Corbin less than his policies - the papers have been against him since Day 1, and people as he says trust personalities over people kit is - if he does do that thing you like, he'll do it wrong because he's Wrong.

I don't know whether papers have been against him since Day 1 explains it. Its a number of things. Corbyn doesn't look like a leader and (he would admit this) wasn't meant to be one.

Was just reading that piece. I kinda like Sam although he wastes energy attacking Nick Cohen or some shit bag easy target but there is a feeling that doing the thinking and doing the doing are a problem for him, me, all of us - which is why his stuff on Harambe and flat earthers reads so much better to me.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/30/labour-suspends-jackie-walker-over-holocaust-comments

But former London mayor Ken Livingstone defended some of Walker’s comments, saying “there’s a difference between ignorance and antisemitism”.

AARGH SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

I mean, I know ppl keep asking him about this stuff, but would it kill him to just say "no comment"? who does he think he's helping at this point?

they both seem to have the same anti-Israel state virus that goes way beyond casual anti-semitism, it is like they are fucking possessed.

cf swathes of SWP-influenced leftists

Article 50 will be triggered by March 2017, according to May.

stoked for the madness

Lee Westwood would approve.

good luck UK

it still might not happen

pma

I keep wondering if May is being all "yep, Brexit, gonna do that on April 1st" to stir the moneyed interests in the UK that will suffer to do what they can to change the "conversation" and ease an exit from Brexit somehow. But this is probably wishful thinking on my part and May is going to steer the country into Brexit and oblivion.

But surely the inevitable subsequent financial fallout of Brexit will ruin the Tories for at least an election or two?

I think they have started to believe their own hype — that everyone will give them what they want and they'll get a Brexit bounce straight into the 2020 election. A breakout session at conference this week has them planning for power until 2035

the Hunt thing about getting rid of EU medical staff being fine because we'll train up more doctors of our own makes me hunger for his head on a spike

https://publiclawforeveryone.com/2016/10/02/theresa-mays-great-repeal-bill-some-preliminary-thoughts/

I have been away and have missed some of these great stories

but before I left, I did hear something about Rachel Reeves and thought: well, that sounds like Enoch Powell in a way! and was annoyed that she gets a 'free ride' because she is against Mr Corbyn, probably

I sadly missed Corbyn's speech and hope to catch up on it, some time !!

https://twitter.com/tradegovuk/status/782860452325982208

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-andrea-leadsom-young-britons-fruit-picking-eu-migrants-a7342196.html

"My absolute hope is that with more apprenticeships, with more young people being encouraged to engage with countryside matters, that actually the concept of a career in food production is going to be much more appealing going forward."

lol!

"why wages aren't higher and so on"

https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/783047118235787265

Momentum decision on Jackie Walker. this seems kind of like a fudge that will satisfy precisely no-one? (sacked as vice-chair of steering committee, but remains on the committee and a member of Momentum, Momentum say that none of her individual statements were anti-semitic in and of themselves, but that Walker has shown poor judgment and should have "done more to explain herself to mitigate the upset caused", and call for Labour party not to expel her)

no explanation necessary, she made herself perfectly clear.

Kristall cleat

Clear obv

Momentum complaining about footage of the meeting where Walker made these comments being leaked to the press also seems particularly ill-judged

Doesnt countryside matters mean fucking? It did in hamlet.

What is going to be the main selling point for these 3 day long crop cutting "apprenticeships"?

Smuggle the fucking cabbages under your jacket, then you won't need the foodbank:p

damn son https://twitter.com/Peston/status/783034000801685601

https://s18.postimg.org/lixd4oqgp/Sterling.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCe6e23yIT8

Tomorrow belongs to Amber Rudd.

The fund will build on work we have done to support local authorities …to stop giving housing benefit to people that have no right to be in the country … to reduce rough sleeping by illegal immigrants … and to crack down on the rogue landlords who house illegal migrants in the most appalling conditions.

And for those that are here legally, we will provide more English language support. And with it, the obvious benefits of being able to join the way of life in the country they have chosen to call home.

Ms Rudd said she would consider for the first time whether student immigration rules should be tailored to the quality of the course and the educational institution.

This idea was mooted a year ago by Nick Timothy, the prime minister’s chief of staff, who said there were only 70,000 foreign students at Russell Group universities compared to 113,000 at less prestigious universities.

This seems the direction they're heading in. Their own figures shows that 38% of students are going to 20% of the universities (those in the RG) so international students are far more likely to be on high-achieving courses than the average Brit.

There are plenty of very good universities (in their own right and particularly in comparison to the international average) outside the Russell Group. Idk what message it's supposed to send to British kids at Loughborough (7th in the UK), Surrey (11th) or Bath (joint 11th), let alone the rest, about the value of their own degrees.

One recurring criticism levelled by home office ministers is that some foreign students, even those studying English language degrees, are not proficient English speakers.

The level requirements were set by the Home Office, not universities. The choice of test below-degree-level was set by the Home Office, not universities. If the Home Office believes the test they recommend universities use is problematic (and there are arguments that it is) maybe they shouldn't have given them a monopoly on immigration assessment as well.

The level requirements were set by the Home Office, not universities. The choice of test below-degree-level was set by the Home Office, not universities. If the Home Office believes the test they recommend universities use is problematic (and there are arguments that it is) maybe they shouldn't have given them a monopoly on immigration assessment as well.

otm

Reading twitter and you'd think the sky is going to fall. That we'll bar students, kick out foreign doctors and nurses, jail landlords (probably good except its for housing illegal immigrants) but idk a lot of this is to get through conference. Can't see so many doctors being trained in time, and implementing these things will be difficult.

As will closing the borders to immigrants. They get through.

Don't get me wrong its awful but there is a long way to go and many of the ppl involved are incompetent.

ukip

Diane James ‏@DianeJamesMEP 10h10 hours ago
The borderless European Union encourages the free movement of criminals.

RIP bigot woman

ukip

Truer words have not been spoken! :)

Reading twitter and you'd think the sky is going to fall. That we'll bar students, kick out foreign doctors and nurses, jail landlords (probably good except its for housing illegal immigrants) but idk a lot of this is to get through conference. Can't see so many doctors being trained in time, and implementing these things will be difficult.

As will closing the borders to immigrants. They get through.

Nobody believes this will actually happen. The terrifying thing is that a mainstream political party can actually stand up and say all this shit with a straight face, let alone government ministers. This is miles away from what used to pass for centre ground in the U.K., and it's the opposite of the multicultural manifesto that got them elected.

Having the unelected PM turn out to be leading a literally fascist government is cause for concern, even if it's an incompetent one that can't do what it says it will.

Fuck a "we don't elect PMs" btw. Even though that's true, we do elect on manifestos and this is burning theirs.

Still, shoes.

More Rudd

"But a student immigration system that treats every student and university as equal only punishes those we should want to help."

As opposed to those we shouldn't want to help.

any working class person who votes Tory is a fucking idiot who deserves whatever they get tbh

Not to keep banging on about this but the routes into a student visa are so restrictive these days it's virtually impossible to come to the UK unless you are going to somewhere approved and continually vetted by the Home Office. The idea that Tier Four Sponsor status can be withdrawn, meaning a ban on international students, is held over literally every university to make them jump through the compliance hoops the Home Office sets out - all seen as ludicrous as it is and all implemented by T. May. Go back six years and you did have a lot of people coming to study on questionable college courses and working to support their study. Now people are coming to universities, not allowed to work to support their studies and are kicked out when they graduate. That combination has led to the number of people from Nepal, for example, dropping from around 9000 to 192 (poorer students need to work side jobs, so they go to Aus) but the overall number is sustained by the growing Chinese middle class and the fact that 'unfashionable' universities like Hull still offer a really good quality of education compared to the US, and arguably Aus, average.

They are literally telling decent students going to UK state universities and paying huge amounts of money for the privilege that they are not welcome. The effect won't just be on students, who can go to Ireland, Canada, NZ or any of the emerging TNE hubs like UAE and Malaysia, it will be on the sustained viability of half the universities in this country. Stop them taking international students and you risk them closing. You also risk one of the key sources of income and regeneration in 'the regions'. Students have transformed the economies of towns and cities all across the country - putting billions into housing, entertainment, retail, etc. This is just so unfathomably stupid.

https://s22.postimg.org/dua5xtjxd/maxresdefault_1.jpg

Private housing developers should build homes with smaller rooms that do not meet existing minimum space standards so that young people can afford to buy them, the housing minister has said.

Gavin Barwell told the Conservative conference in Birmingham that he wanted the private sector to “innovate” to solve the housing crisis and that relaxing the rules on how cramped a flat can be might stop young people from being priced out.

Tory housing minister says building more council homes will increase inequality

https://s22.postimg.org/4vj9t510h/d80db928df1a759cc390e92f6fd59052.jpg

Reading twitter and you'd think the sky is going to fall. That we'll bar students, kick out foreign doctors and nurses, jail landlords (probably good except its for housing illegal immigrants) but idk a lot of this is to get through conference. Can't see so many doctors being trained in time, and implementing these things will be difficult.

As will closing the borders to immigrants. They get through.

― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, October 4, 2016 9:47 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I just watched Adam Ruins Everything #18 which talks about the US/Mexico border having a clampdown actually meaning that there were more undocumented transient workers staying in the States than in a more lax time. This because when the border wasn't being heavily enforced workers would come in from Mexico do the work, get paid, take the money home to family in Mexico. When the crossing is more heavily clamped down it is harder to cross so less people are heading back in the opposite direction and remaining longer in the country that has the immigration fear. I would assume that a situation like that was a constant when the directive about policing a border changes. That there are a number of factors that seem counterintuitive if one doesn't know how things work on the ground and so on.