I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

Oi stevie take it up with whiney m8

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/66115999.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfbIH1TcAfg

^ Gorblimey, would you Adam and Eve it, are you 'avin a tin bath, darlin'? Gertcha!

"So as a friend of mine said the other day, I am occupying from the center-left to the center-right. And I don’t have much company there."

https://theintercept.com/2016/09/30/hillary-clinton-center-right/

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius),

oh cool so she's center-left like FDR and LBJ

i think she means more Scoop Jackson

isnt the average of center-left and center-right center-center? so Evan Bayh and Robert Rubin, i guess

re: the Trumpettes, I thought the plastic in the surgery was supposed to go on the inside?

Scoop Jackson as president would've been better than Nixon, Ford, or Ronnie and would've delayed the start of some neocon insurgency -- if they'd would've formed in the first place. The not-so-secret thing to know about neocons is that until Bush II they needed political exile to thrive.

btw I know you think as usual this is some sort of gotcha moment, but the full remarks (even without audio!) are not unsympathetic:

“They’re children of the Great Recession. And they are living in their parents’ basement,” Clinton says in the audio clip, first published by the Washington Free Beacon earlier this week. “They feel that they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves. And they don’t see much of a future.

“That is a mindset that is really affecting their politics,” she noted, speaking to donors at a private event in McLean, Virginia. “If you’re feeling like you’re consigned to, you know, being a barista, or you know, some other job that doesn’t pay a lot, and doesn’t have much of a ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe -- just maybe -- you could be part of a political revolution is pretty appealing.”

and her unspoken finish is "....the poor blinkered souls."

it sounds like her equiv of 'clinging to guns and religion'

that's the difference

but also I wasn't one of those people crowing about the Romney gotcha moment in 2012 either. You say what it's required when you're shaking your hat.

Yeah, I'm not a big fan or anything but I don't see her saying much in that 'leak' that she hasn't openly stated in any debate with Sanders.
3xp

her stump boilerplate includes "no one has fought harder for progressive causes than I have"

and we all come back to that anonymous Wall St exec quote about understanding how she has to parrot Sanders to get elected, it's OK

I mean,

"We're not England. we're not France," she said Thursday. "We inherited a system of employer-provided insurance that was set up during World War II. So what we have tried to do is to build on the healthcare system we have."

Secretary Clinton, last night you cited the Concord Monitor when you said of Senator Sanders that, quote, "It's very hard to see how any of his proposals could ever be achievable." So please tell us why you think if he's elected president on a platform of promising things like free public college and universal healthcare, that he cannot achieve those things.

CLINTON
I want to build on the progress we've made; got from 90 percent coverage to 100 percent coverage. And I don't want to rip away the security that people finally have; 18 million people now have healthcare; preexisting conditions are no longer a bar. So we have a difference...

I also believe in affordable college, but I don't believe in free college, because every expert that I have talked to says, look, how will you ever control the costs. What I want to do is make sure middle class kids, not Donald Trump's kids, get to be able to afford college. I

And of course, I believe in raising the minimum wage and equal pay for work. But the numbers just don't add up, from what Senator Sanders has been proposing. That's why all of the independent experts, all of the editorial boards that have vetted both of us have concluded that it is just not achievable.

Let's go down a path where we can actually tell people what we will do. A progressive is someone who makes progress. That's what I intend to do.

wait a politician on the stump is being hyperbolic about their record to appeal to the party base? get the times on the horn.

yeah, They All Lie, i know

(we can call it LIES, right)

Not statistically significant but LOL:

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/donald-trump-polls-0-in-detroit-wdivdetroit-news-survey-finds

My kinda poll.

Fartz

I also believe in affordable college, but I don't believe in free college, because every expert that I have talked to says, look, how will you ever control the costs

was this not the argument for universal aka 'free' health care

You control the costs the way you would with any gov't program, the DOD has whole schools about how to manage this. So frustrating.

isnt the basic idea that if the fed gov has monopsony power, they are price makers bc doctors/universities/whatever wont get paid unless they comply with fed policy?

where are the leaks of Sanders speaking with bifurcated tongue at fundraisers

check youtube

yeah, They All Lie, i know

(we can call it LIES, right)

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Saturday, October 1, 2016 2:54 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes, even your beloved Saint Jill Stein does it.

As do you. As does everyone.

not me

^ lie

my truth will set u free

i do find hillary's "they don't even know what that means" pretty lol. it means they don't have to pay for college or the doctor. i think they follow that, poor wonkless souls tho they are. a pleasantly nostalgic reminder of occupy days of "we want financial regulation, money out of politics, serious action on climate change, some sort of accountability for the architects of the briefly collapsed kleptocracy and free college" "what do these people WANT? why won't they SAY? why are they so IRRATIONAL?"

Question for a n00b: is affordable college something to be gained exclusively via a presidential election and congress? or any pressure on state level politics could work as well?

I believe m bison, buffalo are noble, honest creatures

jfc https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/finally-someone-who-thinks-like-me/2016/10/01/c9b6f334-7f68-11e6-9070-5c4905bf40dc_story.html?tid=sm_tw

"“Here comes Big Daddy,” she said, clapping. “The Donald. Big Daddy.”"

All very John Waters, somehow.

The most depressing thing I've read this season.

I'm at this little car show outside a BBQ joint, and there's this one old guy walking around carrying a Trump sign in his left hand.

I also believe in affordable college, but I don't believe in free college, because every expert that I have talked to says, look, how will you ever control the costs

was this not the argument for universal aka 'free' health care

I think this is all in reference to bernie's 'free college!' which doesn't nationalize public universities or give the federal govt a real way to put pressure on the costs of college, it just says 'we'll tax wall street and use that money for college'. that isn't far from 'build a wall' in that it's a super easy to understand promise that seems like it solves an issue people care about (college is expensive, there are a lot of immigrants.) it's just also a political non-starter and not a great solution anyway.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

xxp:

Democracy is the worst form of government...

Xpost holy shit

Well well.

I think this is all in reference to bernie's 'free college!' which doesn't nationalize public universities or give the federal govt a real way to put pressure on the costs of college, it just says 'we'll tax wall street and use that money for college'. that isn't far from 'build a wall' in that it's a super easy to understand promise that seems like it solves an issue people care about (college is expensive, there are a lot of immigrants.) it's just also a political non-starter and not a great solution anyway.

I also believe in affordable college, but I don't believe in free college, because every expert that I have talked to says, look, how will you ever control the costs.

Xpost Wow, and that's just based on three pages from one part of 1995's return!

Honestly I'm most impressed by how it happened. Wonder who sent it?

The documents consisted of three pages from what appeared to be Mr. Trump’s 1995 tax returns. The pages were mailed last month to Susanne Craig, a reporter at The Times who has written about Mr. Trump’s finances. The documents were the first page of a New York State resident income tax return, the first page of a New Jersey nonresident tax return and the first page of a Connecticut nonresident tax return. Each page bore the names and Social Security numbers of Mr. Trump and Marla Maples, his wife at the time. Only the New Jersey form had what appeared to be their signatures.

The three documents arrived by mail at The Times with a postmark indicating they had been sent from New York City. The return address claimed the envelope had been sent from Trump Tower.

On Wednesday, The Times presented the tax documents to Jack Mitnick, a lawyer and certified public accountant who handled Mr. Trump’s tax matters for more than 30 years, until 1996. Mr. Mitnick was listed as the preparer on the New Jersey tax form.

Mr. Mitnick, 80, now semiretired and living in Florida, said that while he no longer had access to Mr. Trump’s original returns, the documents appeared to be authentic copies of portions of Mr. Trump’s 1995 tax returns. Mr. Mitnick said the signature on the tax preparer line of the New Jersey tax form was his, and he readily explained an obvious anomaly in the way especially large numbers appeared on the New York tax document.

that makes him smart

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