I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

sorry i know there are a million sanders posts by me making variants of the same point but i think it unfairly demeans what his candidacy was doing (and paints his supporters unfairly as dupes), while also underselling just how evil trump's use of "build the wall" actually is.

I think the con in 'build the wall' was in saying that he would get Mexico to pay for it. A borderwall isn't really that unusual in itself.

true, especially since it already exists

Are there examples of border walls the size of the US-Mexico border that are large and fortified enough to block migration that were not built with slave labour?xp

This bankruptcy thing is so hard I wish someone,anyone, in politics was willing to take on trump's crayzee expertise and could splain it to us and him.

I should find out who wrote my bk law text and see if she's avail to battle, she was good, had a blog back then. jk it was Warren.

I'm not an engineer but I thought this seemed believable.
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this fuckin guy https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/782611648976678913

Lol which guy

Nate Silver is broken

Yet directly below he writes:

Plausible is not likely though. Our model gives Johnson a 2-3% chance of winning NM, but only an ~0.2% chance that causes a deadlock.
94 retweets 238 likes

this guy wants clicks

(cf. https://www.google.com/amp/theconcourse.deadspin.com/i-think-nate-silver-is-broken-maybe-1787096019/)

okay that johnson scenario is pretty flagrant from nate "don't draw crazy conclusions from one poll" silver. it also requires clinton to lose all three of nevada, florida, and north carolina; if that were happening we'd expect her to be doing so badly nationally that she loses new mexico anyway and so that would be the story to chase. but it's just one poll and the wider picture shows her lead expanding dramatically since the debate, so that scenario would seem to be getting less likely by the minute. way to go, Team Statistics.

xposts

Silver lookin for Aleppo poll #s

also "build the wall," as a continuously repeated campaign promise to stoke passionate rallies, would be a sickening development - and also a con - even without the "...and mexico will pay for it!" angle. it's a racist fantasy that depends on other racist fantasies: the nation overwhelmed by teeming hordes of the Other, just pouring across an imaginary line in the grass and taking our jobs, our children, everything! "build the wall" only makes sense if you conceive the border like that, and the idea that this is what immigration (illegal or otherwise) looks like in this country is a lie.

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/781585796243435520

Aren't you supposed to not announce your surprises in advance?

https://twitter.com/rogerjstonejr/status/782443074874138624

Yeah, wtf, Nate Silver. I have a friend who freaks out over every one of his updates, and I tried to explain that his work has been hovering in useless outlier territory for a while now, And this Gary Johnson bs proves it.

Good waiting for the other shoe to drop hypothesizing here:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/just-a-hunch--2

“Given Mr. Trump’s equanimity with other flaws in his history, we can only assume it’s a bombshell of unusual size.”

A reminder that when Trump assented to a Comedy Central roast in 2011, the list of topics explicitly forbidden by him (when jokes about him wanting to fuck Ivanka were explicitly permitted!) was that he was not as rich as he said he is.

Has he reacted, or did they take his phone away again?

oh. he's reacted. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/02/as-news-of-trumps-taxes-broke-he-goes-off-script-at-a-rally-in-pennsylvania/?tid=sm_fb

RE: https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/781585796243435520

@ScottAdamsSays was on a run wearing a Trump hat and a Clinton supporter painted a tunnel on a rock and I ran into it thinking it was open

has anyone 'shopped old Dilbert strips featuring the boss character to put in Trump quotes yet

“You’re unsuspecting,” Trump said. “Right now, you say to your wife: ‘Let’s go to a movie after Trump.’ But you won’t do that because you’ll be so high and so excited that no movie is going to satisfy you. Okay? No movie. You know why? Honestly? Because they don’t make movies like they used to — is that right?”

I strongly suspect this phrasing is a journalistic shortcut to avoid the possibility of being called out later, even if the attendance is clearly monochrome according to mortal eyeballs:

He urged his mostly white crowd of supporters

i went to work out at the university student gym this morning and there were a bunch of large pro-trump messages written in sidewalk chalk on the plaza out front, including "TRUMP", "Make America Great Again" and "Build That Wall" in the nicest most bland handwriting imaginable. tried to just ignore it but man it made me anxious. what the fuck is wrong with people? i've never wanted to fight someone more badly.

Has he reacted, or did they take his phone away again?

oh. he's reacted. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/02/as-news-of-trumps-taxes-broke-he-goes-off-script-at-a-rally-in-pennsylvania/?tid=sm_fb

Anyone else sense the tiniest whiff of self-doubt creeping into Trump's voice here? Am I just imagining it?

In one of those art improves on life dealios, Alec Baldwin's impression on SNL does a great job of expressing exactly what you're getting at

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nQGBZQrtT0 because I realize that, like me, nobody watches SNL live anymore)

"My supporters have the nicest handwriting, the blandest, it's unbelievable. They've chalked all the best sidewalks."

Trump's self-doubt:

“You have 38 days to make every dream you ever dreamed for your country come true,” Trump said. “Do not let this opportunity slip away or be wasted. You will never ever have this chance again. Not going to happen again… You have one magnificent chance.”

xxpost "you're being mean to me tonight, Coltrane"

why can't Trump be replaced with Kenny Loggins for prez. Loggins, man.

would you say that 2008 obama, campaigning on the public-option version of the scheme, was basically doing the equivalent of "build the wall"?

there's a difference between campaigning on it and having a line about it somewhere on your website. obama didn't campaign on it - or really any specific policy - whereas sanders had a very issues-centric campaign. during the primary I had sanders bros in my fb feed trying to sell people on free college, $15 min wage - 'these are real things we're gonna get under president sanders'. the fact that he appealed to a lot of people who aren't engaged in politics made a platform-centric campaign even more disingenuous, since a good portion of his followers weren't going to be able to put these goals in context.

The fact that ordinary voters tend to blame whoever is currently president when the economy takes a downturn shows how little they understand the powers a president has. This is just political reality and campaigns reflect this.

you're right bernie is bad

A reminder that when Trump assented to a Comedy Central roast in 2011, the list of topics explicitly forbidden by him (when jokes about him wanting to fuck Ivanka were explicitly permitted!) was that he was not as rich as he said he is.

― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, October 2, 2016 1:13 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Slight correction: this was the ONLY topic considered off-limits. Which tells me that everyone at every possible opportunity should be impugning the likelihood of Trump having immediate access to anything more than, say, $25,000. And sit back and wait for the impending stroke.

The one time I laughed out loud last night watching the SNL thing was where Hillary voluntarily gives up her two minutes for Trump to say whatever he wants, and the first words out of his mouth are "The thing about the blacks..."

Am I crazy or was Trump slurring like crazy during his speech in PA?

like John Rocker (racist) or like John Rocker (drunk)?

Am I crazy or was Trump slurring like crazy during his speech in PA?

His voice was clear, but his sentences were the most fragmented they've ever been, I think. It was almost like a form of aphasia, it was so bad, and he couldn't stay on one subject for more than two sentences at a time. He was almost literally spitting random words out. The only word for it is "Palin-esque."

Were the coltrane/jazz man remarks a reference to anything in particular?

Racism.

Also, during the PA speech, it sounded very much like he was encouraging his supporters on 11/8 to first vote and then to monitor the voting in 'certain other areas'.

Were the coltrane/jazz man remarks a reference to anything in particular?

Royal Tenenbaums

Were the coltrane/jazz man remarks a reference to anything in particular?

Mostly what Old Lunch says, also partly Holt/Colt, I think.

Also, during the PA speech, it sounded very much like he was encouraging his supporters on 11/8 to first vote and then to monitor the voting in 'certain other areas'.

― Our Salads Are Now Almost Entirely Blood-Free! (Old Lunch), Sunday, October 2, 2016 4:50 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sounded like that bc he specifically told his supporters to do that

not the first time he's said that

this whole "the mic was rigged" "the elections will be rigged" bullshit is like straight out of elementary school. didn't fred trump teach his son that no one likes a whining whiner?

august: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/12/politics/donald-trump-pennsylvania-cheating/index.html

think they should do the opposite - spend hours monitoring the voting. if they take all day doing it that's ok too