I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

the principle of being more honest about getting nothing done apparently more important than killing fewer people

off the top of my head: federal minimum wage increase, equal pay for women

She'll be in jail anyway as well as all of her voters

Elimination of in-state tuition fees at public colleges for families making less than $125,000

xp

i assume if sanders were the nominee his longstanding pitch for a federal minimum wage increase and equal pay for women would be filed under "build the wall"

comprehensive immigration reform (whatever that means - and tbf everybody promises this)

if sanders started claiming the fed min wage increase / equal pay for women across the country will also be funded by wall street, then yes

bringing down future costs is given a line, there's no mechanism to lower existing costs.

for the record, he says that to qualify for the federal funding, states must "reduce ballooning costs." i guess there's room for interpretation but i read that as him "giving a line" to reducing existing costs. i agree that the mechanism for doing this is not spelled out. how this becomes tantamount to trump's racist fire-kindling, problem-non-solving, pep rally wall scam is still escaping me.

anyway, you're fleshing out a bill that - again - wouldn't exist to begin with.

er... why not? which universe is this, where sanders wins the presidency but the house becomes 100% republican and there is no one there to introduce legislation? very confusing to me. so what, he should have only run on things that were already likely legislative winners the day before he started his campaign? or what?

https://frinkiac.com/meme/S05E18/432881.jpg?b64lines=VEhFIExFU1NPTiBJUywKTkVWRVIgVFJZLg==

I've worked in state universities systems in the Big Ten & now in Paris & while there's some kind of sense that American state unis will end up looking like the Univ of Paris system eventually, I don't know you get between those. we have free university here but not only are taxes quite a lot higher, the resources available to students are quite a lot lower. of course there are climbing walls etc at our municipal public sports complexes but those aren't exclusive to students. there aren't much in the way of dorms, and comparably little in the way of organised student life. and we fail about 40% of first year students, keeping class sizes down in years 2 and 3. our facilities are pretty basic.

But how do you get from the current USA experience to the future experience? You can't just make Wall Street pay for that, because money won't suffice: you have to change these slow-moving, battleship-like institutions, and strip them down, and then find a way to pay for what results. Both the Sanders and Clinton ideas say nothing about this, and so they're both just empty ideas to me.

im so mad I got beat to the 'whats a mook' video

I beat you to changing your display name, too

er... why not? which universe is this, where sanders wins the presidency but the house becomes 100% republican and there is no one there to introduce legislation? very confusing to me. so what, he should have only run on things that were already likely legislative winners the day before he started his campaign? or what?

I think running a campaign on dream-world legislation is deceitful and at least some people I knew genuinely believed that sanders was making promises he could keep, not just saying 'these are some dream goals I have, this is what I'd like the world to look like - but, you know...congress...' it's almost certain if were bernie to win the election congress would look better, but not so much better that any sort of ambitious legislation could pass. the numbers just aren't there.

But how do you get from the current USA experience to the future experience? You can't just make Wall Street pay for that, because money won't suffice: you have to change these slow-moving, battleship-like institutions, and strip them down, and then find a way to pay for what results. Both the Sanders and Clinton ideas say nothing about this, and so they're both just empty ideas to me.

yeah similar to our health care system, making our higher education system cheaper also means dismantling a lot of entrenched institutions and every 'wasted dollar' is someone's paycheck. it's totally possible to come up with sweeping reforms that are cost neutral and make college cheaper, it's another thing getting those reforms passed because every institution currently benefiting from the status quo is going to fight it like hell. coming up w/ a plan that only has one bad guy there to fight it - and it's wall st, obviously - is so much easier.

iatee otm

let's move jobs toward anachronism ASAP plz

that logic is convincing as well on why HRC has no desire to do shit about campaign finance even if she could

https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/782988522588213248

HRC has no desire to do shit about campaign finance even if she could

Motives are notoriously opaque and testimony from the person whose motives you are examining is unverifiable. When there are equally explanatory theories there is no way to choose between them. The theory that HRC sees campaign finance reform as a guaranteed losing battle not worth expending her time or political capital on, regardless of her "desire" for it seems adequate to explain her lack of interest.

It is worth noting that conventional wisdom believes Democrats would benefit more from campaign finance reform than Republicans. HRC's playing the game by its current rules is not good evidence that she likes the current rules better than another set which she might find even more favorable. Probability would predict that HRC's favored position would align with the presumed interest of her party, for the same reason a president would prefer a congress filled with their own party members.

Citizens United has been p disastrous for the GOP, funnily enough

Yeah that was a big whoopsie daisy

Remember when Democrats were the undisciplined party?

caek's twitter link is not to be overlooked: #BREAKING NY AG sends Cease and Desist to Trump Foundation for operating without proper certification.

countdown to trump proclaiming how it's all political and he's being treated very unfairly. big league unfairly. the worst cease and desist order in the history of western civilization, folks.

https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/782988522588213248

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, October 3, 2016 1:02 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lovely!

xps.. so disastrous that the GOP controls both chambers of Congress, plus most governorships and state legislatures

fully expect post-election Loser Trump to end up spending most of his time in court

so disastrous that the GOP controls both chambers of Congress, plus most governorships and state legislatures

did you think I did not know this? lol

we're talking about presidential elections iirc

yeah i feel like that new york AG story wouldn't be such a huge deal if it weren't for the inevitable trump response

"And I have to deal with this against-charity attorney general -- and, I mean, do you think he got orders to do this from Crooked Hillary? Probably, I don't know. I don't know. Someone should look into it."

more here http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/04/us/politics/trump-foundation-money.html

“While we remain very concerned about the political motives behind A.G. Schneiderman’s investigation, the Trump Foundation nevertheless intends to cooperate fully with the investigation,” Hope Hicks, Mr. Trump’s spokeswoman, said on Monday. “Because this is an ongoing legal matter, the Trump Foundation will not comment further at this time.”

has anyone watched the PBS frontline thing about them both? https://twitter.com/Bro_Pair/status/782991753930481665

feel like hillary's opposition to citizen's united is probably pretty sincere considering the context of the case

First off, watch it. @frontlinepbs is such a great TV series, this is fantastically well done and informative.
I honestly do not know who has had a more psychologically hellish life, Trump or Hillary. But these are two incredibly pained personalities.
Hillary, in particular, is a shockingly sympathetic character. She was not born a monstrous political personality. She's a tragic figure.
Also, I absolutely cannot vote for Hillary. That documentary is a testament to the fact that neither candidate should ever gain power.
Hillary's personal pain cannot excuse the fact that her administration will feel like one of those sclerotic early 80s Russian governments.
Trump, of course, is mentally ill & who knows, maybe he'll nuke the world, so, no real judgment from me if you're with her in a swing state

i don't necessarily follow everything his office does but almost any time i see eric schniedermann's name in the news i want to pump my fist, that dude seems like a great guy

Hmmm. Interesting side light to think of HRC as the nascent Yuri Andropov of US politics.

“While we remain very concerned about the political motives behind A.G. Schneiderman’s investigation into an obvious and most likely deliberate case of perpetual fraud by someone whose illusory perception of his own wealth should put him above such petty things as human law, the Trump Foundation nevertheless intends to cooperate fully with the investigation while Mr. Trump himself will be losing the last of his marbles as he screams about the injustice of it all on social media,” Hope Hicks, Mr. Trump’s spokeswoman, said on Monday.

Wow.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.ibtimes.com/donald-trumps-ptsd-comments-some-veterans-arent-strong-cant-handle-it-2425470%3famp=1

I don't think that particular bit is gonna have legs, unfortunately. I mean he's already pissed all over the military as much as he can, what's a few more buckets gonna matter.

Lol at the AG being politically motivated to enforce known charity laws. Even if politics motivated him pulling out his microscope, is Trump gonna blame him for his non-compliance?

Like this is the life of a politician man. Maybe you shoulda run for Comptroller first.

Xpost none of these things are going to be campaign enders by themselves no. But at least may sway some low info voters into flipping or staying home.

At this point he will probably rebound two weeks from now due to reversion to mean and we'll play out this soap opera one more time before E.D.

Like this is the life of a politician man. Maybe you shoulda run for Comptroller first.

― Neanderthal, Monday, October 3, 2016 12:33 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just another signpost of Trump's five-year-old "I wanna be a pwesident!" mentality. He doesn't have the level of cognition to process that, if anything, he's been subject to LESS scrutiny than most presidential candidates. It's just big meanies being unfair and not letting him play pretend!

c'mon he put his big boy suit on and everything!

That documentary is a testament to the fact that neither candidate should ever gain power.

I've said this before, but: No one who wants to be president should ever be allowed within a hundred miles of power. Electoral politics is pure sociopath-bait. Political offices should be awarded by random drawing. And unpaid.

That said, I'm voting for Clinton and am confident she'll be a good president, despite having an army of right-wing shitbags lining up to stop anything she tries to accomplish, and a horde of posturing internet "leftists" ready to piss on anything she does actually manage to get done.

The most beautiful part of this is that his own actions (including, certainly, the decision to run for president) have opened him up to more intense scrutiny than he'd apparently received for decades. He likely could've continued his lifelong grift straight into the grave if he'd remained nothing more than a loudmouthed 'businessman', but something tells me his life after losing the election is going to be pretty unfun.

at this point I am inclined to believe Omarosa's argument that the main reason Trump is doing this is payback against/attempt to humiliate Obama for the correspondent's dinner. it's all just pure ego with this moron.

誤訳侮辱, do you have any cute names for the shitbags who'll be in her Cabinet?

At this point he will probably rebound two weeks from now due to reversion to mean and we'll play out this soap opera one more time before E.D.

― Neanderthal, Monday, October 3, 2016 1:35 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Please no I had so much anxiety leading up to the debate I don't want to be subjected to that whole "Trump May Actually Win This" cycle again.

Trump's got this - as soon as his hail mary from the australian hacker rapist comes through any second now

I say once again, with more certainty than at any point since he won the GOP nomination: Donald Trump will never be POTUS.

Yeah, can't wait until the Assange bombshell drops. Or, rather, doesn't because of 'security concerns'.

If it's such a lid-blower, why wait or be cowed by concerns you were never cowed by previously?

wait, wasn't "Hillary tried to drone me" the bombshell??

Wait, is that supposed to be controversial? Because I'd vote for Clinton so hardcore if she vowed to make that her first act in office.