I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

need I remind you Trump once cashed a 16 cent check

he just didn't want the writer's account balance to get out of whack

I don't think it will be 2-5% of people, it will be essentially nobody

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you can be a racist, AND a misogynist, AND a pathological liar but if you're bad at capitalism.... that's a bridge too far

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Gift horse dentistry lads

@tinyrevolution
What Christie & Giuliani demonstrate is that for hateful right-wing authoritarians, the next best thing to giving orders is taking orders

these revelations aren't geared towards the people who made their minds up ago, though, they're geared at the voters who base their decisions on who to vote for (or whether to vote) based on the candidate's fashion sense or whether they could have a beer with them. the undecided figure is still quite high....

*a long time ago

The NY Times revisits the shaming of Bubba's women. I had forgotten the name of the Clintonista who'd coined "bimbo eruptions": Betsey Wright.

Gloria Allred, a well-known women’s rights lawyer who was a convention delegate for Mrs. Clinton, said that digging up a woman’s sexual past was a classic shaming strategy.

“Most people are not nuns, and most people aren’t Girl Scouts,” Ms. Allred said. “That doesn’t mean they’re not telling the truth.”

Told of Mrs. Clinton’s support for hiring Mr. Palladino, she said, “If Hillary signed off on a private investigator, let’s call it a minus.” But she added, “It wouldn’t change my support for her because there are so many pluses for her, like her stance on abortion.”

“I’d like to hear from Hillary Clinton on the role she played.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-women.html?_r=0

“I’d like to hear from Hillary Clinton on the role she played.”

No one gives a shit

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct7ylZJWEAAo6qv.jpg

-- trump in vanity fair, 1994

but sure, let's ask hillary what role she played in her husband's affairs

“Can you imagine if, no matter who won, I still felt like an equal member of society and comfortable in my own skin? That would be amazing. It’s kind of fun to imagine.”

http://www.theonion.com/article/nations-women-fantasize-about-some-future-election-54083

let's ask hillary what role she played in trashing women who accused her husband of rape, those whores

you can do that and dig around in Trump's muck

trump trying to make bill clinton an issue is going to a. happen b. backfire horribly

I'm pretty excited for it honestly

like the worst thing he can do is turn Hillary Clinton into a sympathetic figure which he already did in debate one by constantly shouting over her

shhh! it's a secret plan!

Try putting yourself in her place. During the 1992 campaign, the mainstream press attends closely to the issue of “bimbo eruptions” while the super market tabloids cover the story of your husband’s supposed black progeny and Gennifer Flowers discusses his sexual prowess in a magazine with a circulation considerably larger than this one’s. Months after you become First Lady, you spend two weeks with your dying father, and television reporters stake out the hospital, turning a personal crisis into another media spectacle; a prominent political commentator calls colleagues to spread the rumor that you’ve been spotted in the White House making love with a female veterinarian; you appear on “20/20” to find yourself closely interrogated about whether you hurled a lamp, or possibly a Bible, at your husband; a best selling roman à clef depicts the steely wife of a Clintonian candidate enjoying a one-night stand with a campaign aide. And that’s just a sampler. Wouldn’t you be entitled to wonder why your involve ment in a mammogram initiative that will save many thousands of lives gets scant coverage, while, say, your trading in cattle futures fifteen years ago takes center stage? Hillary Clinton can’t help sounding utterly self-serving when she tells me she’d like people to look at her “and say, you know, what really matters is that for twenty-five years she’s cared about kids and that’s been a consistent theme, and maybe I should learn about that, instead of ‘Omigosh, she’s changed her hairdo again.’ ” But she may well have a point.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1996/02/26/hating-hillary

During the 1992 campaign, the mainstream press attends closely to the issue of “bimbo eruptions” while the super market tabloids cover the story of your husband’s supposed black progeny and Gennifer Flowers discusses his sexual prowess in a magazine with a circulation considerably larger than this one’s.

Wow, so much has changed in 24 years.

"i thought i was gonna vote for trump, but did you see that he didn't pay taxes? i don't know, i guess i won't now!!"

It's not that - it's more "I hadn't made up my mind yet, but I had vaguely thought he was a savvy businessman. Then I heard he lost a quillion dollars and tried to hide it by saying that his taxes are too sophisticated for a rube like me to understand. Wow, I already wasn't sure I could trust him; now he just sounds like an asshole."

d-mac has the right of it.

yeah "gift horse dentistry" is otm

I may not want to hang out with anybody using that as their instrumental variable but I'm fine with their vote

The remark chimes with something I’ve been told by the redoubtable Sally Quinn, who—in part because she’s a frequent contributor to the Washington Post, in part because she’s the wife of the Post’s legendary editor Ben Bradlee—must herself count as a figure in the so-called Washington establishment. “There’s this old joke about the farmer whose crops fail,” she says. “One year, he’s wiped out by a blizzard, and the next year there’s a rainstorm, and the next year there’s a drought, and so on every year. Finally, he’s completely bankrupt—he’s lost everything. He says, ‘Why, Lord? Why, why me?’ And the Lord says, ‘I don’t know. There’s just something about you that pisses me off.’ ” She pauses, then says, “That’s the problem—there’ s just something about her that pisses people off. This is the reaction that she elicits from people.”

Well, from many people, anyway. “A lot of Americans are uncomfortable with her self-righteousness,” Arianna Huffington says. “I think gratitude is great if you can communicate it, but if you have to keep telling people how grateful you are . . .” William Kristol, a Republican strategist and, since September, the editor and publisher of The Weekly Standard, puts it this way: “She strikes me as a sort of moralistic liberal who has a blind spot for actions that are in her own interest. These are exempt from that cold gaze that she casts over everyone else’s less than perfect actions.” On the whole, though, he’s one of the more dispassionate voices you’re likely to hear on the subject. Peggy Noonan, who came to prominence as a speechwriter for Presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, speaks of “an air of apple-cheeked certitude” that is “political in its nature and grating in its effects,” of “an implicit insistence throughout her career that hers were the politics of moral decency and therefore those who opposed her politics were obviously of a lower moral order.” She adds, “Now, with Whitewater going on, nonliberals are taking a certain satisfaction in thinking, Uh-huh, you were not my moral superior, Madam.”

these people are loathsome and they still live

we may even know some of them

Any distaste I have for Clinton's presentation of self is directly because of the way she comported herself when running against Obama in '08. She came off more than a little Tracy Flick-ish, and it was super off-putting. Otherwise, she's awkward and stilted and less modulated than she could be but I don't really have an issue with her. And I don't understand how her personality is the issue this time around, when she's running against the human personification of discovering a two-month old, maggot-covered bologna sandwich in the trunk of your car.

how can you guys read about this shit every day

xp You're supposed to square that circle by voting for Saint Jill Stein, who, after her election, despite having spent the entire past year expressing contempt for both parties and asserting that there's no significant difference between them except that the Democrats are worse, and despite not having a single member of her own party in Congress, will somehow change the entirety of US society from the ground up by having bills introduced by Magical Legislation Fairies.

i believe the syphilis has reached yr cerebral cortex

no sane person voting for Stein thinks she is going to win the election, assface. That's what "protest" is doing in "protest vote."

Correction, it's doing nothing, because neither of the major parties nor anyone else gives Fuck #1 about your protest vote.

no sane person is voting for Stein

fixed

"Oh well, we lost the 'leftist' votes again, let's keep moving to the center" is what will happen. I'm truly sorry you're too fucking dumb to understand that.

what makes you think i'm voting for president? not voting for Stein.

you're too fucking dumb to understand that the Dems are never changing no matter who YOU vote for.

neither of the major parties nor anyone else gives Fuck #1 about your protest vote.

Seemed to in 2000!

or rather, after

The precarious framework of our nation will be protected only by voting meaningfully against Trump from my paranoid point of view.

come on man, you're old enough to know the entire political landscape is slow-moving but has changed a shitload over time xp

I'm not too happy with where the national system is right now regarding infrastructure and international affairs but that's more an artifact of things slowly shifting being a better tactic than a quick right turn. We did a quick turn 15 years ago and that didn't help so much.

the only time protests votes successfully 'sent a message' was 2000

and the message they sent was 'nader voters are fucking idiots'

were perot votes protest votes

Hil has Dorothy Rabinowitz voting for her in NY; Dot and i swapped votes

xxxp

I almost voted for Nader until I really thought about how close the election was

Joe Lieberman was pretty much my #1 reason for having that stance, though. Still can't stand that guy.

Perot voters sent the message 'Hello we are confused human beings' xp

the "message" you're sending and the effect of your vote obviously is dependent on the state you vote in

xxpost Only when compared to the demon draped in human flesh that we got as VP for eight years do Lieberman or his successor look like anyone you'd want within a million miles of the White House.

the "message" you're sending and the effect of your vote obviously is dependent on the state you vote in

― k3vin k., Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:43 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you know, this is one of those things that should be really obvious by now but I think a surprising percentage of the electorate still doesn't get it

the "message" you're sending and the effect of your vote obviously is dependent on the state you vote in

no even drunk 3rd party voters fail to send a message that anyone cares about

we've had eight years of people pretending Obama is somehow not a US citizen by birth

yet barely anyone noticed that Cheney was a resident of Wyoming really only by mailing address and we elected a pres/vp that lived in the same state which is completely against the rules

I mean, it's pretty much a technicality in that Cheney was really a resident of the great western enron/hunting accident part of the country that happened to encompass multiple states and there's no rule against both candidates being from that

The cumulative effect regardless of state is precisely bupkis. The Libertarian Party has had presidential candidates on the ballot in some or all states since 1972. How's that working out for them?

I think a surprising percentage of the electorate iatee still doesn't get it

It's not about sending a message, it's about voting w/out vo(mi)ting

Any gay man who votes for Clinton after the Reagan/AIDS thing tends toward minstrelsy.