I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

I almost voted for Nader until I really thought about how close the election was

Joe Lieberman was pretty much my #1 reason for having that stance, though. Still can't stand that guy.

Perot voters sent the message 'Hello we are confused human beings' xp

the "message" you're sending and the effect of your vote obviously is dependent on the state you vote in

xxpost Only when compared to the demon draped in human flesh that we got as VP for eight years do Lieberman or his successor look like anyone you'd want within a million miles of the White House.

the "message" you're sending and the effect of your vote obviously is dependent on the state you vote in

― k3vin k., Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:43 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you know, this is one of those things that should be really obvious by now but I think a surprising percentage of the electorate still doesn't get it

the "message" you're sending and the effect of your vote obviously is dependent on the state you vote in

no even drunk 3rd party voters fail to send a message that anyone cares about

we've had eight years of people pretending Obama is somehow not a US citizen by birth

yet barely anyone noticed that Cheney was a resident of Wyoming really only by mailing address and we elected a pres/vp that lived in the same state which is completely against the rules

I mean, it's pretty much a technicality in that Cheney was really a resident of the great western enron/hunting accident part of the country that happened to encompass multiple states and there's no rule against both candidates being from that

The cumulative effect regardless of state is precisely bupkis. The Libertarian Party has had presidential candidates on the ballot in some or all states since 1972. How's that working out for them?

I think a surprising percentage of the electorate iatee still doesn't get it

It's not about sending a message, it's about voting w/out vo(mi)ting

Any gay man who votes for Clinton after the Reagan/AIDS thing tends toward minstrelsy.

The impact imagined by the 3rd party voter vs. the real-world impact, in a nutshell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_os80b2K8_s

I looked it up: Gore beat Bush in NY by 25 points. OMG I'M AN EEJIT

I think a (-surprising percentage of the electorate-) iatee still doesn't get it

It's not about sending a message, it's about voting w/out vo(mi)ting

Any gay man who votes for Clinton after the Reagan/AIDS thing tends toward minstrelsy.

you think you aren't morally implicated in everything America does because you simply eschew any real participation in politics. that's a pretty convenient moral system you've built, one that lets you bask in your own virtue while doing nothing.

xp so your Nader vote neither hurt nor helped Gore, Nader, Bush or you, which is the very definition of "bupkis."

like most voting. As G Carlin said, jack off instead.

iatee, you know nothing beyond what i post what i do! Voting is the least ppl do.

what did those Occupy marches we went on accomplish? And the climate change march two autumns ago was the very definition of BUPKIS.

xp whereas adding one's 0.000001% to Gore's margin of victory would define "substance"?

that's true, which is why it's funny how many of your posts on ilx have involved who you're going to vote for, who you did vote for and who you can't vote for, as if the country is dying to find out what morbs' message to the world is this year

xp

Any gay man who votes for Clinton after the Reagan/AIDS thing tends toward minstrelsy.

hey I'll do Al Jolson if it keeps any post-Palin/Freedom Caucus imbecile from winning Miami-Dade County.

rubberstamping dronemaggedon sends a message too folks

what did those Occupy marches we went on accomplish? .

Guess you didn't read Sanders or HRC's platforms eh. But you'll say "platforms mean shit" because you must be right at all times

Sanders platform is especially moot!

i'm sure HRC holds hers close to her heart.

xp whereas adding one's 0.000001% to Gore's margin of victory would define "substance"?

had gore lost the popular vote because a bunch of California and New York voters were 'sending messages', bush's victory wouldn't have looked nearly as illegitimate.

bush's election wouldn't be considered illegitimate

Er phone posting weirdness

What heinous crime did you poor wretched souls commit to be trapped in this time loop?

many of your posts on ilx have involved who you're going to vote for, who you did vote for and who you can't vote for

in recent years, almost always in response to others, cuz it means JACKSHIT yet i somehow can't stop voting, which wd be my #1 preference.

but now, goodbye. fuck me.

No don't leave please come back please

http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/jpeg/1f11502a17b57300cb9ff46f11b9ef623f678ae.jpg

(Exits, pursued by Kissinger)

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u didn't all have maracas.jpg bookmarked

if gore had lost the popular vote, bush's victory could only have been considered legitimate, because what else could define legitimacy? and if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a trolley.

http://media.tumblr.com/6c43d16d0c8daebeacdec916817479d8/tumblr_inline_mr5oobMMwh1qz4rgp.gif

but now, goodbye. fuck me.

is this going to be the title for the next thread

Even Morbs will admit that Shane.jpg is funny when he returns in 10 minutes.

bush's victory wouldn't have looked nearly as illegitimate.

(CALLS FROM HORSEBACK) Noooooo one gave a shit, Joey!

'10 minutes'

I'm also unclear on this: 'looking illegitimate' seems about as symbolic as 'sending a message' via protest voting.

is this going to be the title for the next thread

― ¶ (DJP), Tuesday, October 4, 2016 1:27 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's about time, anyway.

it's really not!

if gore had lost the popular vote, bush's victory could only have been considered legitimate, because what else could define legitimacy? and if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a trolley.

these things aren't black and white. one thing that helped contribute to the election appearing illegitimate was that more people voted for gore than bush. when it comes to clinton vs trump, the number people are going to remember - the only 'message' that gets both sent and received - will be the margin by which clinton beats trump.

I'm also unclear on this: 'looking illegitimate' seems about as symbolic as 'sending a message' via protest voting.

the issue isn't that sending a message is symbolic, the issue is that people who think they are sending messages are just shouting at the sky, nobody's receiving their message, nobody cares. whereas the legitimacy of bush's presidency is something people discuss to this day, and the amount by which voters reject trump will very much affect the future of american politics - despite the fact that we get the same end result whether he loses by .1% or 30%.

voting isn't a speech act, as I like to holler

re: next thread title, please wait to see whether tonight's VP debate generates a memorable catchphrase, thx.

Personally I'm rooting for either "feel the Pence" or a gif-tastic meme of Shatner screaming "KAAAAAIIINE!!!!"

wow, Trump's chances are down to a kicker missing a 42 yarder now

Gary Johnson defends stupidity:

“Talking about a foreign leader I respect, I have a hard time with that one,” Johnson told MSNBC host Andrea Mitchell. “That’s just who I am. And now I’m going to have to pick out a world leader and there’s going to be something wrong with them. And now I’m going to have to defend them! Well, maybe I think too much.”

“You are running to be commander-in-chief,” Mitchell reminded the candidate.

“Yeah, and you know what?” Johnson trumpeted back. “The fact that somebody can dot the i’s and cross the t’s on a foreign leader or a geographic location then allows them to put our military in harm’s way!”

seeing friends and ilxors get involved in protests, marches, and community organizations has made me pay much more attention to local politics and has made me be more outspoken on key issues

I might leave some of the sections empty on my election form, but now I do it with purpose

I guess my stance is the opposite of Gary's, there

when it comes to clinton vs trump, the number people are going to remember - the only 'message' that gets both sent and received - will be the margin by which clinton beats trump.

Bush barely won in 2004 and he claimed he had a "mandate" and the press acted as if he had one.

The fact that somebody can dot the i’s and cross the t’s on a foreign leader or a geographic location then allows them to put our military in harm’s way

It is also true that knowing about bank security systems makes it much easier for you to rob a bank. And knowing about human anatomy makes it easier for you to kill people quickly and quietly.

Better for us all to be ignorant, so that we do not inadvertently sin through our knowledge of how the world works.

As someone who's admittedly underinformed and undereducated and who would like to think that, for all of their baser faults and vices, politicians make some kind of attempt to understand their responsibilities so that they can be at least functional representatives of their constituencies, I find the complete lack of intellectual curiosity on the part of the Johnsons and the Trumps deeply fucking insulting. Fucking go crack a book before you try to run a country, you uberdouche.