I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

so like what's the deal america is back on 'let's rebuild our army and reinvade the middle east'? how can this argument (which is essentially the bulk of pence's policies) possibly be a winner w/ the public?

This is a disaster for Kaine. Pence is killing it.

Is it really that clear to you? I agree Kaine isn't looking fantastic

on style pence is winning but i don't believe he is arguing on behalf of a winning argument.

lmao at cotton hill picture

a draw is p much ok for this debate, even a weak loss. nobody gaf about it. might quell the Trump noise for 5 minutes but I'm sure Donald will livetweet something embarrassing about a minority or the size of his dick before Pence even gets to take his mic off

my god pence is str8 out of central casting for generic white dude president

"I'm just saying facts" in response to "insult. driven. campaign," - about time, but tossed away

on style pence is winning but i don't believe he is arguing on behalf of a winning argument.

― Mordy, Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:10 PM (fifty seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea i agree. i think pence is prob winning this as it's happening but kaine repeatedly reminding everyone about how shitty trump is still the better thing to do in the context of the whole campaign

Content doesn't matter. Kaine is a nervous wreck

reminding everyone about how shitty trump is still the better thing to do in the context of the whole campaign

Pence bragging about how big and strong and rich America is, 40 minutes after being incredulous that Kaine didn't think America was a festering pile of shit

Kaine doesn't seem nervous to me just too snappy

yea

lol "That is absolutely inarg -- inaccurate." Freudian Pence.

my god pence is str8 out of central casting for generic white dude president

― 6 god none the richer (m bison), Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:11 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/2a8k0zv.png

Pretty sure Bill Weld would win this if he were there.

As a bonus, we'd get some sweet Gary Johnson lunacy in the next to main debates.

on style pence is winning but i don't believe he is arguing on behalf of a winning argument.

On balance, I think the former is more important to note voters than the latter, even if no one would ever admit that.

yeah, Kaine is calm, his geniality just makes him looks squishy next to Pence's piece of rebar with a face drawn on it

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14589578_10154470457706878_1352238595993687712_o.jpg

ehh, Pence is giving a lot of commercial fodder right now, by essentially contradicting Trump on multiple things. I can already see the Clinton ad that points out them flat-out saying things in opposition to each other in less than 24 hours

Pence's role in this debate is to shore up the conservative base who might otherwise sit this election out & he may be succeeding. I'm not entirely sure what Kaine's role is; he seems to think it's to be a standard-issue attack dog against Trump. I guess he's succeeding at that, but that's not nearly as important to the Democratic ticket as what Pence is doing for the GOP.

you're right but a VP debate isn't going to do it. pretty soon it'll be the shitty personality arguing on behalf of the shitty argument. pence giving it its best face (which incidentally sounds a lot like ignoring trump's campaign and pretending that he's the VP of a generic Republican ticket) won't imo have a lasting impact.

xps to KM

Looking forward to fact checking on this stuff

lol "y'all need to know out there" - "listen up dipshits"

i kinda think the kaine strategy might be kinda savvy - just bringing up the tax returns and russia over and over again

please mention the cease & desist... please

awww

kaine did a good job w/ the clinton foundation question

the betting markets aren't moving at all fwiw

you have to remember that ~500 people are watching this debate

checked in on this and it didn't make me partic scared for november but it did reinforce my fear that the ridiculous and totally random stroke of luck we've enjoyed this cycle wherein the first guy to make a real run for il duce is a clinical idiot will be short-lived

like if in the end the viewer is left with "this pence guy debated better" and "why is trump hiding his tax records" then kaine will have won bc trump isn't winning this election on pence's likability.

Moderator should have the ability to shut off their mics. Or put them in soundproof booths like on "21." How many times did she quietly say "Governor, your two minutes are up?"

I'm not entirely sure what Kaine's role is; he seems to think it's to be a standard-issue attack dog against Trump

He was good on reinforcing policy and seeming like a solid #2 in a team at first, has switched to mostly tearing down Trump. Imagine that briefing changed after Saturday

quijano's questions seem so out of sync with what the candidates want to talk about huh

One of my friends just now on FB: "The VP debate: Two old white men talking over a woman of color."

Pence might win a few Pubs back to the GOP shitwagon by reassuring them that he's the calm, composed guy that will talk Trump off of the ledge, but this is such a smaller ticket item compared to the Presidential debate that I don't see it doing much (even Bentsen's epic Quayle takedown didn't matter much)

in a way Kaine always had his work cut out for him because he like Pence is somewhat unknown nationally, carries no star power, and it was always going to be easier for Pence to appear rational next to a drooling ape like Trump than it would have for Kaine to significantly improve on Clinton's performance. his job is just basically not to lose too badly or say SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS

This North Korea question about preemption is insane

7,000 xposts

One of my friends just now on FB: "The VP debate: Two old white men talking over a woman of color."

― Cumstaun (Phil D.), Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:22 PM (thirty seconds ago)

pretty insightful comment

"in times like North Korea we gotta cooperate" - "when you got movies like Tom Cruise in 'em you can't lose!"

Yeah, not saying this will have much impact on the race (no one's watching this anyway, I'm guessing), just saying that for this debate, it's about style, not facts, and pence is trouncing him

(I have been trying to post this for about 5 minutes but encountering weird zing bugs because I = Too Slow)

Beltway wags will mourn the candidates' reluctance to discuss North Korea, but who cares? What is there to say? What can the United States do? "North Korea" is a freebie designed to make candidates look tough.

checked in on this and it didn't make me partic scared for november but it did reinforce my fear that the ridiculous and totally random stroke of luck we've enjoyed this cycle wherein the first guy to make a real run for il duce is a clinical idiot will be short-lived

― florence foster wallace (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea for real, pence's steeliness and ability to spew bullshit and make it sound serious kind of reminds of cheney

Heidecker for Veep, Turkington for SoS, President Joe Estevez to handle foreign policy

they should change the format of VP debate to celeb boxing to shore up viewership next time

this two-hour Christianity attestment is fucking insane

"North Korea" is a freebie designed to make candidates look tough.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:24 PM (sixteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea

kaine: "i have personal faith but i believe the state and church should be separate and no one should be forced to follow a particular religion's beliefs."
pence: "i disagree i think we should force ppl."