I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget

Pence might win a few Pubs back to the GOP shitwagon by reassuring them that he's the calm, composed guy that will talk Trump off of the ledge, but this is such a smaller ticket item compared to the Presidential debate that I don't see it doing much (even Bentsen's epic Quayle takedown didn't matter much)

in a way Kaine always had his work cut out for him because he like Pence is somewhat unknown nationally, carries no star power, and it was always going to be easier for Pence to appear rational next to a drooling ape like Trump than it would have for Kaine to significantly improve on Clinton's performance. his job is just basically not to lose too badly or say SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS

This North Korea question about preemption is insane

7,000 xposts

One of my friends just now on FB: "The VP debate: Two old white men talking over a woman of color."

― Cumstaun (Phil D.), Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:22 PM (thirty seconds ago)

pretty insightful comment

"in times like North Korea we gotta cooperate" - "when you got movies like Tom Cruise in 'em you can't lose!"

Yeah, not saying this will have much impact on the race (no one's watching this anyway, I'm guessing), just saying that for this debate, it's about style, not facts, and pence is trouncing him

(I have been trying to post this for about 5 minutes but encountering weird zing bugs because I = Too Slow)

Beltway wags will mourn the candidates' reluctance to discuss North Korea, but who cares? What is there to say? What can the United States do? "North Korea" is a freebie designed to make candidates look tough.

checked in on this and it didn't make me partic scared for november but it did reinforce my fear that the ridiculous and totally random stroke of luck we've enjoyed this cycle wherein the first guy to make a real run for il duce is a clinical idiot will be short-lived

― florence foster wallace (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea for real, pence's steeliness and ability to spew bullshit and make it sound serious kind of reminds of cheney

Heidecker for Veep, Turkington for SoS, President Joe Estevez to handle foreign policy

they should change the format of VP debate to celeb boxing to shore up viewership next time

this two-hour Christianity attestment is fucking insane

"North Korea" is a freebie designed to make candidates look tough.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:24 PM (sixteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea

kaine: "i have personal faith but i believe the state and church should be separate and no one should be forced to follow a particular religion's beliefs."
pence: "i disagree i think we should force ppl."

wooooooow at counselling girls out of abortion

Kaine directly quotes some absurd thing Trump said. Pence responds, "That's absurd." or "That's ridiculous." and proceeds to say something impenetrable with a few hot button words or ambiguous phrases like "criminal immigrants" attached. The funny thing is, this tactic probably works just fine.

I like to spend a little time on my knees every day too Mike, amirite ladies?

rite?

I mean eating pussy

"I try to spend a little time on my knees every day."

Pence 2020.

Nice

*high fives Pence*

*Pence wipes hand*

The difference in their recent backgrounds: Kaine shares hot-milk-with-cookies anecdotes about bein' Irish 'n' Catholic; talk show host Pence can't answer a question about "faith conflicts" without turning the question into a spear he can jab into his opponent.

BIBLE BURN

kinda feel like Trump's taxes is the wrong thing to be banging around on. that type of news article is best as a slow-developing item, meant to smoke out Trump into looking less like the voice of the downtrodden. actually focusing on it at length in a debate kind of weakens it as a story cos most of the undecided voters are too dumb to realize when they're being subliminally manipulated but when you smack them across the face with it, they'll smell it, y'know?

pence's strategy of fully denying rather than trying to explain or defend any of the 100,000 horrible things trump has said is prob a smart one

pence is actually campaigning on ending abortion rights. this is definitely not a winner.

"you whipped out that mexican thing again" shoutout to stephen garza

Kaine makes his worst mistake this evening: using "dialogue" as a verb.

Kaine should tweet at Trump from the stage

pence's strategy of fully denying rather than trying to explain or defend any of the 100,000 horrible things trump has said is prob a smart one

― marcos, Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:30 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

True but what about the fact checking in the ensuing news cycle?

or the ads. wouldn't even be surprised if Clinton came up with Kaine's talking points not to win the debate but help frame Pence's responses so they could turn around and make some nifty commercials by week's end.

We will bring people together through broad-shouldered military power and law-and-order.

c'mon people now
fire on your brother
everybody get together
try to plug one another
right now

lol @ "you whipped out that mexican thing again"

is it "trending"

About 193 results (0.31 seconds)

cool, cbs cut to a 5-minute focus panel led by republican operative Frank Luntz, pioneer of the conservative strategy to deny climate change

what a great network.

humorously his focus group broke almost 3 times as much for Clinton last week. I imagine it killed him to tweet that.

I hope that Kaine's performance tonight was per instructions from the campaign: just force Pence to own Trump as much as possible, don't try to win every point. It's probably okay if he comes out of it looking scattered and manic, he's not there to be a dignified statesman but rather an attack dog. A cute, slightly yippy attack dog.

If this is really who he is and how he wants to campaign, that's just weird. I am a Virginian and former Richmond resident; I already knew Kaine isn't a great speaker or debater. But the contrast with Pence's composure is rather stark. Pence did a bunch of insulting little head-pats like "wow, you really worked hard on that, didn't you?" He didn't say SON but might as well have.

Kaine might have struck a more inspirational, uplifting, positive tone (a la the convention). But tactically it's probably best to keep the election a referendum on Trmp.

Kaine was puppyish and erratic, but Pence will spend the next few days watching clips of this debate played side by side next to a Trump lie.

so what the fuck two debates and no climate change questions

yo is it true tim kaine got sonned by mike pence after a cnn beef?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/783478918087004160?lang=en

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct-MVTiUIAAf78j.jpg:large

yeah Pence definitely is a lot better at this than Kaine is, BUT I'm not really concerned about this since the lasting impression of the debate is most likely going to be Pence shaking his head as Kaine reads actual Donald Trump quotes

Kaine was puppyish and erratic

Yup. That describes the classic Batman villain all right.

also no one will give a shit once the next debate happens in 5 days

I'm gonna miss the onion's take on Joe Biden...their Tim Kaine isn't nearly as engaging

Another thought: I think Pence is doing a better job of executing his strategy, which is basically just to pirouette around any time he’d have to defend Trump. Whereas Kaine is swinging at a lot of pitches but not really following through. So judged on the basis, I’d give it to Pence, so far.

But I’m not sure that it’s a great strategy, because I think Pence’s nonresponsiveness could make for some good commercials for Clinton’s team in Brooklyn after the debate. So Pence could be setting himself up to win the actual debate but lose the post-debate debate.

this is nate silver. seems plausible. no one will remember that pence "won" or kaine seemed puppyish, because absent major screw-ups, you have to watch the whole thing to get that. but it can be cut together/played on the news in a way that makes pence look dishonest/ignorant, etc. and draws more attention to trumps enormities in the process.

I'm gonna miss the onion's take on Joe Biden...their Tim Kaine isn't nearly as engaging

feel like they could still write about diamond joe mooning the vp debate from his helicopter while yelling "NERRRRRRRRRDS!!!"